by DevonMcBride 94 Replies latest social current
realist-
thanks for your response. so, i guess my real question would be, if tried in a court of law, and found guilty of their various known atrocities (i.e., dragging olympic athletes through a gravel pit, and then dipping them in a sewage tank to induce infection; picking random women off the streets to rape; murder, more murder, and then a few thousand murders....etc.), is it your stance that execution would be wrong, or just?
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Dubla,
My understanding of Realist philosophy is that they should be "rehabilitated"
Remember though nothing rehabilitates as well as a M-16.
Terry
Well, assuming there will be very solid confirmation for this, it is indeed quite good that these two have been stopped. The fact that some sources have said that these two were actually worse than their father says a lot.
dubla, while I am not an anti-death penalty person, why do you think that their being killed is so much more worse than if they were to have spent the next 50 years of their sad pathetic lives behind bars with no real freedom, and then died? IMO, both cases would be just as bad (I just don't view the death penalty as being a priori a bad, inhumane or evil thing, so if they had been tried and hanged, it would have made no real difference to me than if they had been tried and gotten life in prison).
dubla,
firstly, i view these stories as propaganda as long as i don't see hard confirmation of any of this.
secondly, lets assume they actually did what you say...in this case it would be appropriate to lock them away indefinatley in order to protect the population since a rehabilitaion seems impossible. to kill them is not necessary and would constitute a violation of my understandings of modern ethics.
Bang bang their dead
50 bullets in their head....
GOOD.
Uday and Qusey Dead. Again |
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In just a few short months since the beginning of the latest Iraqi campaign the US forces claimed to have killed Saddam Hussein on at least four different occasions. The number of false claims of Saddam’s demise was only exceeded by the number of false WMD discoveries. Now Saddam’s two sons and his 14-year-old grandson have taken their turn on the altar of Pentagon’s propaganda machine. There are many similarities between the previous claims of Saddam’s death and the latest announcement by the US military that Saddam’s two sons were killed in a firefight with the US troops. Naturally and as usual the big news arrived with a certain degree of ambiguity: the bodies of the two sons – Uday and Qusay – were extensively burned – possibly beyond recognition – Reuters cited US military sources. Suddenly, the US general became uncharacteristically optimistic. Now they were absolutely certain that the two bodies discovered at the site of the reported firefight were those of Saddam’s two sons and his grandson. Supposedly, someone the bodies were not burned to the crisp after all but just riddled with bullets. US generals reported that someone well familiar with both Uday and Qusay identified their bodies. Another commonality with the previous claims of successful attacks against Iraqi leadership: the location of Saddam’s sons and his closest aides was revealed to the US military by an Iraqi informant. This almost reminds me of the tearful, albeit untrue, story of the rescue of Private Ryan. I mean Private Lynch. Iraqi informant, a glorious battle fought by the US soldiers and the pompous announcement by the US Army command in Qatar. Just as when Saddam and his sons were killed in that restaurant bombing in Baghdad in April, the DNA evidence is set to reveal the final truth about the latest claim. Just as a reminder: in the April incident it turned out that there was no Saddam or his sons in that restaurant. Hell, there was no restaurant. Of course, there was no announcement of any DNA testing results. The British MI6 kind of soured the milk for Pentagon by leaking counterclaims to the press. Goddamned James Bonds. One may also recall the bombing of the Baath party headquarters in Basra during the early weeks of the war. Then the US military claimed that up to 200 Baath party members (including possibly the big man himself or his brood) were killed. Apparently, the entire Baath party elite decided to gather at the headquarters in Basra. This building has been constantly bombed by the coalition ever since the war begun and practically had a target sign painted on it. Can you think of a better place for Iraqi party elite to hide? Apparently neither did the USAF command. Saddam’s sons, the US military claims, have been “hiding” at a palatial villa in Mosul – the huge home belonging to the local tribal leader. There have been photos of it on Yahoo News a couple months back: the villa had US “Abrams” tanks parked in front of it - another safe place for the Iraqi leadership to weather out the US occupation. It’s like if Washington has been occupied by the Russians and Bush was hiding in the Oval Office. But the claim of Udey's and Qusey’s untimely demise did not go unnoticed: the US troops got the MUCH needed morale boost after weeks of grim reports from the occupied territories. And the US stock market is not doing too bad either: whoever knew about the upcoming announcement of the possible death of Uday and Qusay must have made a killing on the trading floor in just a few short hours. |
Yeru,
I find it interesting that you chose to assume my motives for why I made my comments.
My scepticism of the claims made is based on the other claims that the US Govt has made regarding this war. They still haven't found any WOMD have they? And what about the fairy story that was created regarding Jessica Lynch? It now comes out that her rifle never fired a shot, and her injuries came about from a car accident. And you want me to accept without question everything that comes out of the mouths of the US Govt's spin doctors?
Also, my questioning has nothing to do with the administration. I am entitled to question any leader who makes grandiose claims. Yeru, one of the freedoms that you fight for as a soldier of the US Army, is the freedom of speech. This means that people have the freedom to question what their leaders say, rather than being in a dictatorship where we have to accept whatever the Governing Body, oops I mean, the political leaders tell us.
As a soldier, you have to accept orders without question. However, us civilians are free to question unfounded claims from the higher ups. I may not be an American citizen, but Australia is an ally of the American-British alliance, so I think I have the right to make comment on what is happening in wars in which our countries are involved.
and prisca who thinks this could just be a huge media conspiracy.......
I am inclined to believe they are dead. I hope they are. I hope daddy is next in line and soon.
But in all fairness what prisca said was not that unreasonable. She did not claim anything or announce anything. All she said and all she did present a possiblity, something else to consider which is nothing less then what any President with any salt would do as well. Bush would probably have more respect for priscas statement then anyone elses in this entire thread. It really stinks that this place has turned into a feeding frenzy for those who clump together.
Thank you Plum
