A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

by Giles Gray 77 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    1914 speculation only makes sense to the indoctrinated.

    JW Insider has this to say...

    "Here are several points related to 1914 that appear problematic from a Scriptural point of view:

    • All evidence shows the 1914 date is wrong when trying to base it on the destruction of Jerusalem. (Daniel 1:1; 2 Chron 36:1-22; Jer 25:8-12; Zech 1:12, 7:4; Ezra 3:10-13)

    • Paul said that Jesus sat at God's right hand in the first century and that he already began ruling as king at that time. (1 Cor 15:25)

    • Jesus said not to be fooled by the idea that wars and rumors of wars would be the start of a "sign" (Matt 24:4,5)

    • Jesus said that the "parousia" would be as visible as lightning (Matt 24:27). He spoke against people who might say he had returned but was currently not visible. (Matt 24:23-26)

    • Jesus said that his "parousia" would come as a surprise to the faithful, not that they would discern the time of the parousia decades in advance. (Matt 24:36-42)

    • Jesus said that the kingdom would not be indicated by "signs" (Luke 17:20, almost any translation except NWT in this case)

    • The "synteleia" (end of all things together) refers to a concluding event, not an extended period of time (Matt 28:20)

    • Jesus was already called ruler, King and even "King of Kings" in the first century. (1 Tim 6:15, Heb 7:2,17; Rev 1:5; 17:14)

    • Wicked, beastly King Nebuchadnezzar's insanity and humiliation does not represent Jesus as the "lowliest one of mankind." (Heb 1:5,6; 2:10,11; Daniel 4:23-25; cf. Heb 2:7; 1 Pet 3:17,18)

    • The demise of a Gentile kingdom cannot rightly represent the time of the rise of the Gentile kingdoms (Daniel 4:26,27)

    • The Gentile kings did not meet their demise in 1914. (Rev 2:25,26)

    • The time assigned to the Gentile Times that Jesus spoke about in Luke 21:24 is already given as 3.5 times, not 7 times (Revelation 11:2,3)

    • The Devil was already brought down from "heaven" in the first century. (1 John 2:14,15; 1 Pet 5:8; Luke 10:18; Heb 2:14)

    • The Bible says that the "last days" began in the first century. (Acts 2:14-20; 2 Tim 3:1-17; 1 Peter 3:3-5; Heb 1:2, almost any translation except NWT in this case.)

    https://youtu.be/ITnZMCWnwZk

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    Sadly, that video is "spot on"!

  • Vanderhoven7
  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    An e-version of "Gentile Times Reconsidered" is available at:

    https://archive.org/details/the-gentile-times-reconsidered/page/10/mode/2up

  • ThomasMore
    ThomasMore

    The video is a condensed version of how that conversation always goes.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Jehovah’s Witness elders are not Biblical archaeologists, they have no knowledge apart from what the WT has taught them . Indeed, it has been levelled at me that I “ would know nothing without the Society, so why do I dispute what they say?”.

    The fact is that nowadays we can find out information in readable forms without a degree in archaeology. Of course we have to guard against false information, but that can usually be spotted and when subjected to a group such as ours , falsehoods are called out.

    JWs are not permitted to read contradictory information. The video correctly showed the attitude. JWs just trust the Society. Of course the Bible does not give a BCE date for the fall of Jerusalem ,it is calculated by men .

    What the Bible does say is “ Do not put your trust in nobles nor in the son of earthling man” (Ps. 146 : 3) NWT .

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    Gentile Times Re

    does not debunk 607

  • waton
    waton
    the Bible does not give a BCE date for the fall of Jerusalem ,it is calculated by men .
    What the Bible does say is “ Do not put your trust in nobles nor in the son of earthling man”

    It also says: "it is not given to you to understand times and seasons--" Acts 1:7, addressing the future member of the "governing body".

    Even Einstein, and follow-uppers do not understand time. (see current New Scientist)

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7
    Gentile Times Reconsidered ....does not debunk 607

    Watchtower does not debunk 587

    Why do you think that not a single secular archeologist supports 607?

  • road to nowhere
    road to nowhere

    One of the GB updates or such it was pointed out that Joseph's brothers were within a few years of the same age as him.

    As for 1914, it can be proved by pyramidoligy 😆

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