@ Terry...
"Didactic exposition", huh?
You know, that'd be a great name if Perry ever decided to start a neo-grunge/emo-Christian garage band. :smirk:
Socialism
by Perry 76 Replies latest social current
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Pistoff
Perry's OP is a classic case of the religious right being captured by the sophistry of the ultra wealthy.
This argument turns the greed argument on it's head; it claims that seeking a fair chance for all, by progressive democratic policies, is greed.
In reality, it serves the top 1%, who evidently don't consider it greedy to control nearly all of the wealth of the world.
For Christ's sake, literally, Perry, wake up.
The rich have not only stolen your money by reducing their taxes while yours are going up, they have stolen your ability to think.
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Vidiot
@ hoser...
'Fraid so.
Communism only works on paper.
(Not unlike Watchtower ideology. :smirk:)
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Pistoff
So Perry, do you agree with Doug Giles, from the same website where you got the above, that it is OK to waterboard people?
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Vidiot
@ Village Idiot...
Nah.
It's Sunday.
He just went to church.
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Finkelstein
Hoser says ....
Yes that is right. That is why the Soviet Union couldn't feed themselves.
Once again someone else thinks socialism in the same thing as communism.
........Good grief
Look at this list and notice that the top countries which have the best support for education and health are countries which have established government sponsored social programs and note they are not communistic countries.
Also take note where the US is positioned in the realization that its probably the most capitalistic out of all of them.
2015 Social Progress Index
Country Rank (SPI) Social Progress Index Rank (BHN) Basic Human Needs Rank (FW) Foundations of Well-being Rank (O) Opportunity
Norway 1 88.36 9 94.8 1 88.46 9 81.82 
Sweden 2 88.06 8 94.83 3 86.43 5 82.93 
Switzerland 3 87.97 2 95.66 2 86.5 10 81.75 
Iceland 4 87.62 6 95 4 86.11 11 81.73 
New Zealand 5 87.08 17 92.87 6 82.77 2 85.61 
Canada 6 86.89 7 94.89 14 79.22 1 86.58 
Finland 7 86.75 3 95.05 8 82.58 7 82.63 
Denmark 8 86.63 1 96.03 7 82.63 12 81.23 
Netherlands 9 86.5 9 94.8 5 83.81 13 80.88 
Australia 10 86.42 13 93.73 12 79.98 3 85.55 
United Kingdom 11 84.68 19 92.22 15 79.04 6 82.78 
Ireland 12 84.66 15 93.68 29 76.34 4 83.97 
Austria 13 84.45 4 95.04 9 82.53 18 75.77 
Germany 14 84.04 12 94.12 10 81.5 16 76.49 
Japan 15 83.15 5 95.01 20 78.78 19 75.66 
United States 16 82.85 21 91.23 35 75.15 8 82.18 -
Village Idiot
I'll jump in here. Socialism doesn't work because 95 percent of the working population are lazy dogf%#kers.
That hasn't been my experience in the work place. At Home Depot, where I worked, there were lazy montherchuckers who got away with their laziness because my supervisors, thanks to corporate understaffing, were too busy to keep an eye on us.
They would have stayed there forever but I managed to convince them, three different supervisors, to take some time out to watch how the lazy bums were acting and boot them out. That's how I got rid of three workers who would do nothing but clock in and stay in the break room while I was being torn apart by customers who couldn't find someone to help them.
Capitalism did nothing to throw those workers out. It was I.
That is why the Soviet Union couldn't feed themselves. The farmers had no incentive to produce. Capitalism isn't perfect but it does give an incentive. Produce or go hungry and live on the street.
The example I brought up about Publix shows how and why their employees have an incentive to better the company. It's because they literally own the business. They're only one step away from Syndicalism (a form of Socialism) and everyone is happy, especially the customers.
1,000 stores! They've been doing something right for 80 some years.
Everyone here who speaks against Socialism has the cliché version of "State Socialism" in mind with their micromanaging of the economy. That form of Socialism is not what I'm talking about. And it needs to be emphasized that Western European Socialism does not compare with Soviet Socialism. They are feeding themselves without any problems.
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hoser
Finkelstein.
Canada's a great place to live but we could do a lot better IMO.
Our productivity sucks.
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Island Man
Socialism and Capitalism both have their pros and cons. I think the best system is a mixture of the two. -
Finkelstein
Socialism and Capitalism both have their pros and cons. I think the best system is a mixture of the two.
...and that's what been happening in countries like Norway and Sweden for the past couple of decades or so.
Canada's a great place to live but we could do a lot better IMO.
Our productivity sucks.
We do pretty good based upon are federal budget that has been pretty balanced as of late.
Must keep in mind we are a huge country with a small population. (35 Million)