C.O. Reports: JWs/WTS "Reach Critical Mass...

by BitterTruth 107 Replies latest jw friends

TheBitterTruth

Hi:
Then he dropped this bomb. He said that he felt the problems in the WTS had reached "critical mass" ...
Random House Webster's College Dictionary defines the term "critical mass" as being:
"1. the amount of a given fissionable material necessary to sustain a chain reaction.
2. an amount necessary or sufficient to have a significant effect or to achieve a result."
"Critical mass." That time has come...
There appears to be enough turmoil, sufficient for a serious upheaval to occur within the organization, worldwide, on a "never before seen" scale ahead for us. We have reached this point. I concurr with the ex-Circuit Overseer. Dissension, discontent, and distrust is everywhere, among JWs, particularly among the "travelling Overseers," and those who are "in the know," among Jehovah's Witnesses, in this country, and elsewhere.
It has been estimated that approximately 1/3 of all travelling overseers WORLDWIDE are ready and willing to stage a "coup d'e-tat", wherein a "sudden and decisive action occurs, esp. one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force results."
This is no joke...its for real.
These "brothers" are not playing. This has been in the "works" now for over five (5) long years...as reported by one "Aussie Boy," on H2O.
This attempted "takeover" will take place, since the Bible speaks of it, I believe, too in prophecy...
"...And its [the "dragon's] tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth."
We are about to see this happen right before our very eyes...
I recall this Quote from H2O's "Rick", chief moderator/Administrator as having received "e-mail" from "Aussie Boy", a reported leader in this unparalleled, upcoming, planned "rebellion" against WTS Authority as saying:
"Those who have been with H2O from the start and even back to the early reform web site that started the fork in the river of theocracy, AJWR (Associated jehovah's Witnesses for Reform, if memory serves correctly), might remember Aussie Boy. An Australian insider deep inside the upper Watchtower hierarchy who helped with many others to plant the tiny seed called H2O that has grown into a giant tree, he couldnot say anything due to the global apostate manhunt that has swept the bloge for the past five years. (The intent of this manhunt is to shakeout "apostates" who on Christian reformation in the Society's highest eschelon-including the CO's, DO's, ZO's, and BO's to name a few that come to mind.)...
"...He also gave assurances that all congregations under a newly defined ecclesiastical institution of overseers will form a freshly washed body of Christians from every nation and race. As Jehovah's Witnesses, we will praise Jehovah for this miraculous healing of an organization close to spiritual death, and each resolve to help turn the world's attention towards Jesus Christ and his approacing Kingdom of righteousness and Peace."
This is for real...brothers!
This is going to happen.
...and something dramatic would have to be done by the WTS very soon in order to salvage the organization. Either way, he said, he felt we would soon see a mass exodus of literally millions of Witnesses, because under the present course, the Society has been totally unable to maintain any sense of urgency in the preaching work, and has failed to focus the friends on the Bible principles and Christlike way of life that would give them the foundation to want to remain an active Witness.
This "newly defined ecclesiastical institution of overseers" which hopes to "form a freshly washed body of Christians from every nation and race" is what will attempt to bring this about. They today, number about 1/3 of the organization's leadership, on a worldwide scale. And the are "mad as hell and aint gonna take it anymore..."
A Watchtower Society POWER STRUGGLE/TAKEOVER on a worldwide scale is next to occur...a major attempt at it is shortly before...so...Stay tuned and don't touch that dial!
BT
Jehovah's Witnesses, God's Name People -- Destined to "Fall" and Be "Restored" According to Bible Prophecy -- Isaiah 30:26; Jeremiah 23:19, 20
Edited by - TheBitterTruth on 17 July 2000 3:50:52
TheBitterTruth

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Edited by - TheBitterTruth on 17 July 2000 3:39:33
SolidSender

BitterTruth,
no doubts about anything stated in your above post,
however in view of the indisputable scriptural fact that there is only one mediator between god and men - JC, the only relationship i can see between the WTBTS* & chrisitanity is as it's antithesis.
Therefore completely irrelevant in the big scheme of things?
* and it's men worshipping adherents
thanks again-SolidSender
SolidSender

Frenchy, with all respect:
If everything were bad, there would be no problem. I would have walked out years ago but…I don't see the witnesses as a single mass of mindless zombies (though some are) as some have expressed on various boards and threads. I don't see the elders as evil, power hungry mongrels (although without question there are a few that are) out to ravage the flock. I don't see the Circuit and District Overseers as evil puppetmasters either. I've known too many of them personally for that. I don't view the individual members of the governing body as individuals that are plotting the take over of our minds with nothing more in the end than to increase their 'wealth' and power. I don’t have an intimate acquaintance with any of the GB members but I have met a few and talked to them. Those that I spoke with were very humble and gentle men with none of the arrogance that I have often seen with some of ‘Christendom’s’ ministers
Therein lies the brilliance of the deception. 666.
-SolidSender
[b]you were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 1Cor 7.23, NEB[b]
Frenchy

Solid: Please explain
-Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-
Pathofthorns

It has been estimated that approximately 1/3 of all travelling overseers WORLDWIDE are ready and willing to stage a "coup d'e-tat", wherein a "sudden and decisive action occurs, esp. one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force results."

Its been estimated by who and with what possible statistics or facts? Whoever said this is a complete dreamer.
I agree with the Society reaching critical mass and many see problems. But most see it as the members fault (ie. not applying "the slave's" advice) similar to the Isrealites on the verge of the Promised Land (that old one again).
When people can't see what the real problem is, they still will cling to the "truth" no matter what.
This one third "coup de tat" is sheer fantasy at present. Perhaps when the information is simply overwhelming and a major rift occurs in the organization, but right now the majority are still in ignorance.
Path
Edited by - Pathofthorns on 17 July 2000 6:48:15
Pathofthorns

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Edited by - Pathofthorns on 17 July 2000 6:47:31
TheBitterTruth

Hi "Pathofthorns":
Its been estimated by who and with what possible statistics or facts? Whoever said this is a complete dreamer...I agree with the Society reaching critical mass and many see problems. But most see it as the members fault (ie. not applying "the slave's" advice) similar to the Isrealites on the verge of the Promised Land (that old one again)...When people can't see what the real problem is, they still will cling to the "truth" no matter what.
As reported by "Aussie boy", to "Rick", the chief administrator on H2O... these are leaders of the Reform movement among JWs worldwide.
This is a very real situation...nothing to scoff about.
The travelling Overseers, Missionaries, Branch Overseers, Zone Overseers, branch Overseers, members of the hierarchy of Bethel Headquarters staff...1/3 are in discontent with the way things are being done, the way things are being taken care of by the present-day Governing Body structure...that's 1/3 of brothers in high positions within the organization...they are organized and they Talk...communicate...discuss things...
Who took the survey???
Its a known fact among JWs in the know, these brothers keep in CLOSE COMMUNICATION...almost "unionized" ...
...sooooo they themelves took the survey...they know completely well how many are of the "same persuasion." These are "no dummies"...they are in the know...and are not "buffaloed" by the WTS Authority Structure at all, nor intimidated. They know they are fully capable of "taking over" and handling these so-called positions of greater responsibility within the organization.
And too, there is strength in numbers, and they are "unionized," pledged brothers to secrecy, they work as a team and they are NOT fooled by the WTS...not one bit.
But the common rank and file brothers....well that's another matter...we are not talking about these ones...only those in the know, who are high positions, and are willing and able to do something about our present situation within the organization...but not "joe blow," average JW...we already know what his mindset it. He cannot be counted on for NOTHING! And we all know that...
You see, H2O was "created" by them...the real creators of H2O was the "Travelling Overseers," who have banded together against the WTS...the aitheistic fools present on the forum that comment so frequently, are simply tolerated...its only a "cover"...
It is now being made clear and open that actually H2O is a place where these brothers of dissent, actually "congregate" and form strategies...in the chat rooms...this is known too by the H2O staff and also WTS adherents.
A real fight is brewing...its coming...
This thing is well-planned, believe me.
I've seen them "gang up" on the WTS before, and point blank tell the WTS what they WERE GOING TO DO...AND WHAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO DO...
For instance, they were not going to GIVE THE WTS their travel trailers...their larger vehicles, Seburbans, and such, Not under any circumstances give up their "cars,"...they'd quit first...and they'd do it as a group.
...I was there...read the initial letters from the WTS...heard what the "Unionized" COs and DOs said in reply...saw the final letter from the WTS where they BACKED DOWN and said only the NEW COs had to turn in their big cars and could only use these new 6 cylinder, leased vehicles the WTS had purchased...that DID NOT have the ability to pull a trailer. These new guys were the ones that were "forced" to live in the homes of the friends.
The old Travelling brothers could keep every thing they are acquired up until that time...they got what they demanded.
This happened around 1989-90, I believe.
The WTS does not push these guys around...I know...and I can tell you something about...there are some serious Bible Scholars among them too...these guys don't play...I kid you not.
I've tangled with a few of them myself...so I know. They are not afraid of the WTS! And they really know right from wrong too.
Later,
BT
Jehovah's Witnesses, God's Name People -- Destined to "Fall" and Be "Restored" According to Bible Prophecy -- Isaiah 30:26; Jeremiah 23:19, 20
Edited by - TheBitterTruth on 17 July 2000 10:53:33
Pathofthorns

I like your posts BT, but I think its time for a reality check on this one.
The key word in the Society is OBEDIENCE. These guys can offer valuable suggestions to the Society but that is about it. There is no global union of COs and missionaries. At best there is a few communicating in Australia as you say, or wherever.
These guys are generally older with no where to go. Any dissent and they are demoted. They may be concerned, but that's about it. They are between a rock and a hard place if they start to comprehend the big picture.
I'm not saying you can't be right BT, but if your sources are "dreamer Rick" from H20 and someone calling themselves "Aussie Boy", I'll need more convincing evidence than that.
Path
TheBitterTruth

Hi "Pathofthorns":
You know "good news" is just as hard to take, as BAD NEWS....
That may be our problem here...
Okay...let's do this a little differently...Maybe someone else on this board, knows some particular Travelling Overseer or Overseers INTIMATELY, shall we say...spent time with them...close contact, communication with one or more...anybody?
Have you..."Pathofthorns"..."?
I have...
They talk...they listen...they speak their minds...sometimes very disparagingly about the "problems" at Bethel, and "changes," in publications, protocol and practice...this they do. They are really human...just like us...
And when they hurt...they say "ouch,"...too...just like us.
Only "suggestion givers,"....hmmmmm....
Nope, contrary to what you feel, these guys have serious "pull" with the WTS...particularly Service Department...a lot policies are forms because of what these brothers write back to the WTS...
They are the "eyes and the ears" of the WTS...they are
The WTS would have great difficulty maintaining the control, which it now enjoys over the organization, WITHOUT their complete cooperation and help. They are actually a part of the WTS power structure...a part of it.
So, they are a lot more powerful than most realize...and if they "like" you...and they can "confide" in you...and they think a lot of you...and I was one of those "few,"...they will LEVEL WITH YOU.
They are fully aware of the dopish, average JWs...and they don't communicate with this type of JW. But, they always have their favorites.
Now, imagine, if these "powerful men," BANDED TOGETHER...that's REAL POWER...worldwide power.
Now, to understand what I'm saying...you would really need some "intimate knowledge" about how the organization works..."intimate knowledge," friends at Bethel who are higher ups, or something like this, that goes beyond the "normal" contact and experience commonly known among JWs. In other words, someone beyond "joe blow dopey" witness...someone beyond this one. He knows nothing, we know this.
The rank and file, know nothing about the things I speak of...they think just like you do about the "possibilities" of dissent among higher ups in the organization...its just not possible.
I don't think you have this knowledge...somehow, no offense, but I don't think you have this kind of special "awareness." You don't seem to know what a Circuit Overseer really is, in this organization...a long time veteran Circuit Overseer of some 40 years or more...how he viewed by the organization.
Man, I could tell you some "stories,"...
I've seen these guys accomplish more with one short phone call to Bethel, than 100 elders writing 10 letters a piece, complaining about a matter.
Now, I know as lately, there has been some friction and dissension...so "freeness of speech" has not been what it used to be at Bethel...But don't underestimate these "brothers" and what they COULD DO, if they so choose...if they so choose...get my drift?
Actually, having been an "elder" for many years, and my father before me...and having been associated with the organization for close to 50 YEARS...I know full well these guys are planning something...
Simple example: Did you know, COs are only judged by "other" COs or higher ups if one is guilty of wrongdoing...no ordinary elder can sit on a committee to judge them in anything...that's a known fact...
But they can certainly sit on a "committee" to handle you, and that's any day of the week...24/7.
Who in the world told you a CO was a stupid "flunkee"...who mails in suggestions only...
A COs could be called in by Bethel to becoma a member of the Governing Body...did you know that?
Ever heard of Ted Jaracz...Sam Heard...ever heard of these guys...Ted was pulled off the road to become a member of the Governing Body...did you know that?
I was there....I know.
A Circuit Overseer has some serious authority within this organization...serious authority...and when they BAND TOGETHER...look out baby!...Here we come!
BT

C.O. Reports: JWs/WTS "Reach Critical Mass...

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