It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened 11530 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • KIMSILVIO
    KIMSILVIO
    Yes there is 6 videos for Sept . but pretty sure they were done before he went on vacation.

    At least three definitely weren’t made this month - they are sushi’s

  • Simon
    Simon

    You can buy "success" nowadays on any platform - youtube subscribers, twitter followers, heck people even buy GitHub stars to make their software projects look more popular than they are.

    Who imagines patreon has found some magical way to stop it, or even would if they could? What do they care if some saddo is buying their own followers to keep up a charade, because they still get a cut of it all ...

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Has he paid to inflate his Patreon number?

    On the one hand he’s an egomaniac who would do anything to maintain the fiction of success.

    On the other hand he is so tight with money it’s hard to imagine him spending anything on his business if he can avoid it.

    So who knows? I think it’s possible but not likely.

    The working assumption should be that there really are still shockingly high numbers of patrons who haven’t yet jumped ship, or who have joined while somehow remaining oblivious to LE’s behaviour.

    His real trouble is that his videos are rubbish and he knows it and he hates doing them. Any reprieve on the patron front is more like extra time added to a chore he desperately wants to escape.

  • KIMSILVIO
    KIMSILVIO
    His real trouble is that his videos are rubbish and he knows it and he hates doing them.

    And the stats reflect exactly that.


    Comparison of a week in Feb 23 and the last week and the month of Jan 21 and August 23 👍

  • Toblerone5
    Toblerone5

    Somebody left a Youtube link to L.E. on his Facebook page , there is a Youtube documentary ? about the JW but it's all in German. It was post monday the 4 of sept. He didn't tweet about it .unless he didn't see it yet? Anyway usually he would have been all over this news, How things are change .He could be working on this now too , anyway will see...even weirder Mark O'Donnell is in the video and he didn't say anything about this on his twitter page also .Maybe because it's all in German ? anyway this is the link to the video if anybody speaks german

    https://youtu.be/0tVnZkeNo6k?si=rYFuGG5dOXsvljPl

  • KIMSILVIO
    KIMSILVIO
    Anyway usually he would have been all over this news,

    If he couldn’t take credit for it or wasn’t in it, he wouldn’t promote anything

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas

    His “career” has by and large mirrored WT’s. I am old enough to remember when he was posting here and forecasting WT’s ultimate demise. He claimed that 2005 or thereabouts represented the “beginning of the end” for WT, starting a decline they will never recover from and eventually wither away. He got into quite a few arguments when people tried to debate his 1914 2005 prediction.

    What started as another “no collection plates passed!” morphed into huge WT shaped donation boxes at every exit. But remember, he’s not “forcing” anyone to donate. If donations fall, he might have to sell off some Kingdom Halls make fewer videos. Then lives wouldn’t be saved and Jehovah would be sad the world would be a sad place.

    I believe he learnt the power of his potential grift when he had that virtual baby shower for his oldest daughter. Blankets knitted by grannies and boxes of diapers and other supplies were mailed off to “Mala Engleska” or Little England as he subtitled his address. (I reckon the Sisak Post had a good laugh at the sheer arrogance of a foreigner to subtitle an address in their country after his own). The deliveries had gotten so bad he had to tell people to stop sending him shit that he was going to throw away in a month anyway.

    It was shortly after this that he launched his Patreon. Like WT, his earliest followers were primarily from the UK and North America. But as the poor behaviour and the grift kicked into high gear, he started losing a lot of support, particularly in the UK. The organiser of the AposDate that he cancelled for Thailand related that she had roughly half the people decline the invite when they found out who it was honouring.

    So he started moving his grift into more developing countries. If you ever stayed on long enough on his livestreams, you’ll notice more than a few donations in Brazilian Real and Polish Zloty. The language gap also works to his advantage when controlling the flow of information.

    I believe he’s working where the need is greater going to groups that have had little or no exposure to him and promoting his videos, and letting them know that it is customary to tip. Could be atheist, Portuguese, Spanish or Polish language xJW subReddits or FB groups. A place where his version of facts remains unchallenged. He’s finding that once people discover what he is all about, they are dropping support. Instead of getting cross about it and arguing as he used to, he’s just picking up shop and working seldom worked territory picking up new recruits with little knowledge of his background.

    As he himself stated, the internet is forever. Google his name and this thread, the info site, and the Wikitubia page that a certain bitch who might have posted here more than once was “gracious” enough to edit come up in the first page. That’s his long term problem, coupled with the short term problem that his videos aren’t that great anymore and the pay he is getting is not in sync with the actual quality of his work. Even if he gains 30 patrons by the end of the month, roughly an equal amount are exiting.

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    Vienne His "bounce" may be those that didn't renew but meant to. On the other hand, I suspect his X formerly Twitter numbers and patron numbers are fraudulent.

    Was going to say the same, the bump maybe late renewer's. We know he bought You Tube subscribers, unsure about Twitter (but very possibly). It has crossed my mind that our "Patreoff" has gotten back to him and made his Lardship very cross😂so he's rustled up some long-suffering devotees to move from You tube to Patreon & buy a few £1 subs (or bought them himself) just to spite us😄

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    LMsA I believe he learnt the power of his potential grift when he had that virtual baby shower for his oldest daughter.

    Interesting.

    If you ever stayed on long enough on his livestreams, you’ll notice more than a few donations in Brazilian Real and Polish Zloty. The language gap also works to his advantage when controlling the flow of information.

    Yes I have noticed a lot of the breathlessly positive comments under his you tube videos are from people with non Anglosphere names, too. Even people with a good grasp of English don't always hear the nuance in conversation and as you say it is interesting that his British supporters tended to be the first one's to suss him out and drop him.

  • fastJehu
    fastJehu

    The video posted by @Toblerone5 can be watched by anyone with English (or other languages) subtitles.

    The video is absolutely worth watching, which is not about the faith of the JW, but about their finances and how the members are "begged" for money and donations in kind.

    It was initiated by a German TV station and aired publicly on TV.

    If I were Lloyd Evans, I would have made a video about it immediately.

    (Turn on subtitles - then click gear "Settings" - then translate subtitles automatically and select the language).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tVnZkeNo6k

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