Yet another example of how silly the Bible is...

by Abaddon 82 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • rem
    rem

    Why does everyone read the bible with 20th century concepts, and not use a little insight and recognize that it was originally written to people with far different concepts than we have today. I would figure some like Abbadon would know better, since he seems to know some science.

    To even imply that genesis is talking about the whole earth(in our modern concepts), displays a lack of reasonableness. If you are reading an ancient document to properly understand it you have to understand the original audience, and what they thought and how they veiwed things.

    I think Abaddon does realize that. He's just mocking the Christian fundamentalist view, which includes the belief in a global flood.

    rem

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    SS:
    I'm just in, and having a busy week.
    I noticed that that site was Christedelphian, in origin.

    With regards to the parable - applying Occam's razor, and the fact that it is self-confessedly a parable, brings me to the conclusion that I stated a few posts back.

    Ya know, regardless of OT prophesies, what is Jesus actually recorded as saying?

    My conjecture was that it's difficult to lay the claim that the whole bible is silly, when one of the main characters actually spoke a lot of sense (i.e. the "Golden Rule").

    Shalom

    (As always, I'm just stating my opinion, in the rare hope that it might actually make some sense)

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Lt

    I don't have a problem w many things jesus is portrayed as having said. Many are sublime truths. The golden rule is ok, though it doesn't always work. For instance, some people would not want to be treated the way you want to be treated.

    Ok, back to more of jesus' violent parables.

    Mt13:34Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. 35So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet:

    "I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."[3]

    36Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."

    37He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

    40"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41the son of man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

    Luke11:50Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

    Jesus even promises that that generation would get judgement for abel's death. How nonsensical is that?

    Then, there is the sheep and goats parable. The 'goats' would be killed by jesus for not provide support for him and/or his followers or do social work.

    Mt25:41 "Then he will say, in turn, to those on his left, 'Be on YOUR way from me, YOU who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.

    46 And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life."

    He looked forward to the time he would be king to eliminate all those who opposed him or didn't provide support for him and/or his followers. You didn't address the scriptures in the link i provided. Instead you used a poison well tactic by pointing out that it was from christedelfian site. You have a problem facing the negatives about jesus in the bible.

    SS

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    SS:
    All I commented on was that there are some things in the bible which aren't silly, therefore the claim of this thread title was a generalization.

    With regards to the first example you gave, I called you on the fact that it was a poor choice to attack (and I myself stated that better examples could be found to support your case).

    How does that translate into your last comments?

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz

    What's wrong with generalizing a book as silly, if most of it IS silly?

    Ex. I think Jonny is a silly person in general, although he IS serious from time to time.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    LT

    I myself stated that better examples could be found to support your case

    You also claimed, or seemed to be claiming that what jesus said wasn't silly.

    Even if Jesus is only a nice man, there's very little "silly" about what he is recorded as saying.

    Ya know, regardless of OT prophesies, what is Jesus actually recorded as saying?

    I agree that some things he said were very cool. I was demonstrating the silly parts.

    SS

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Littletoe

    Genesis is only one of 66 books, and one that was likely a compilation of earlier works, anyhow. Your thread title disparages all 66.

    Yeah Little Toe, but as I believe I was trying to point out, the idea that God would allow a book carrying a message as important as you claim it is to be so flawed when it is meant to be describing man's early history is ludicrous.

    If you got your car manaual out, and it told you that the car ran on fairy dust and you were able to prove that this was not so, how much trust would you have in the rest of the manual? Would you consider the manufacturer to be wise or silly.

    We are not talking about typos here, we are talking about things that did not happen presented as fact. What kind of god uses a book stuffed with lies to communicate his messge to mankind?

    hooberus

    I love your links, they are just what I need on a Monday morning. Here's a particularly wonderful quote from that web site;

    only 106 weighed more than ten tons when fully grown

    It is talking about dinosaurs here, gentle reader. Let us hope that none got horny; I think 30cm of wood would not be very resistant to enthusiastic brachisaur copulation.

    So, howcome, if dinosaurs were on the Ark, we can not find any dinosaurs in strata that is dated to after the Biblical time frame for the Flood?

    If we assume for the sake of the Creationist argument that all forms of dating that prove commonly accepted evolutionary and geological time scales are wrong, then how come we do not find dinsaur bones in strata with other animals that were on the Ark?

    If the Flood happened in the time frame given by the Bible, then how come there were trees standing that apparently didn't suffer any ill effect after being submurged for so long? We know this as we have ring samples taken from trees that, just by ring count overlap they have with trees standing, are obviously from that time frame.

    frankiespeaking:

    As rem points out, I'm having a laugh at the expense of those who DO take it as a literal account.

    I'm also having a laugh at people who will accept the bits of the Bible they know are false as allegory/etc. (rather than Bronze-age understandings of the world), but are equally happy to accept things that cannot be proved false are by assumption true; as I have pointed out, a god allowing a book with such an important message to be full of so much rubbish compromises the believability of the rest, which is illogical.

    If god would use a mysterious mode of communication for a prophecy (like Revelation), where the meaning is hidden until the right time comes for interpretation (why else all the bollocks), then why did god not have the Genesis account deliverde in a similar fashion that when viewed with modern science would show the writers had access to information it was impossible for them to know at that time?

    If god really wants people to believe, then that would be a good way; say that Genesis said:

    "And god spun from the dust of the void a star, and round that star he span from the dust of the void planets, falling ever inwards to the star but never reaching it . And god saw the light of the star reach the third planet, and he watched and sang, sang a song that made the energy of the star falling on the thiord planet blossom into life. And god continued to sing, and the life that spranfg forth at first was tiny and simple, but over time grew intricate in design and multitudinous. Finally god sang the song of men, and some animals looked to the skies for the first time with eyes not of beats, but of men, and they saw the beauty that god had wrought and praised him, as he revealed himself to them."

    If that was in the first chapter of Genesis, then I'd believe it was inspired. But no, the Bible in general is just what you'd expect; a flawed historical account of a people with added made-up bits.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    The Flood account in Genesis, can not rightly be interpreted as global. One has to be reasonable, and realize that Noah or whoever wrote genesis had no idea what the "earth" was.

    When the ancient book of Genesis speaks about the "earth" it is speaking of dry land.

    That's plausible, but it would make no sense for God to instruct Noah to build such a huge vessel, gather two (or seven) of every kind of animal and hole them up for a year for a local flood. Unless of course that part is allegorical as well, but that's almost indistinguishable from the story being completely made up.

    To even imply that genesis is talking about the whole earth(in our modern concepts), displays a lack of reasonableness. If you are reading an ancient document to properly understand it you have to understand the original audience, and what they thought and how they veiwed things.

    It seems it was the whole earth being talked about. The account makes no sense otherwise. The only reason to believe there was no global flood is that the evidence we have today does not support it.

    To think that God would comunicate to an ancient people in our 20th century concepts and not their is shows a lack of comon disernment. I thought you guys rejected fundamentalism and all its non-sense.

    Why would ancient people need to be told there was a global flood when clearly there was not? If the ancient people had an incorrect view of the way the world worked, why didn't God correct them, instead of reinforcing their incorrect beliefs my making up stories like the flood legend?

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    SS:I know

    Abaddon:Well a car manual often has "Haynes", or somesuch, written on the bottom of it.
    The bible hasn't got that, but it's believers state it to be so.

    Personally I'm more for giving Jesus words credit than most else, and it's interesting that whilst he uses it extensively, he calls more attention to his own words.
    I should also highlight that it appears that he didn't write it himself, but is rather "quoted".

    I believe there is no less reason to believe that there was a historical character called Jesus than there was (say) one called Julius Caesar. Because, at very least, it's a record (accurate or otherwise) of the time in which it was written - but that's another story...

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    thanks everyone : NOW that I've got more and more INFO I have to CATCH my MOMMY !!! to have a talk about her sacred bible ... she already openned One eye somehow ... (she began to wondering ... YES) just need to push a bit more ... Hope she'll be able to open the other eye before she closed the first one ...

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