by berylblue 72 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Sally
it's everyone's choice to obey God or turn our backs on Him and be destroyed.
Yup, obedience or death. Might makes right. Worship power. Is that animalistic, or what? It's just a reflection of the animalistic, barbaric tribes that concocted that control freak of a god.
SS
Brummie, keep letting Rosemarie know that she is important to you. and that she should think for herself as we all should.
Gopher, most of mankind are pretty good hearted because we are made in God's image.
You are happy with the path you are on, well done.
Not yet, Brummie. I have my moments, like yesterday, when I'm okay. Then the doubts creep in. Is this normal? I guess becoming oneself is a process , not an event.
And learning to truly love God is a process, not an event. I have always felt guilty that, upon learning about Jehovah, that I was not instantly infused with fervent love for him. I can see now that love grows over time. Even love for God.
Have I mis-stated myself?
I don't mean to slam Jehovah. I just don't understand him at all. Yes, he has the right to kill whomever he wants. But why on earth has he done it for such lame (for lack of a better word) reasons? Please. A loving God does not have to "remind" us of his sovereinty by offing a bunch of imperfect humans (to use Watchtowerese), inclined to sin, for trivial matters. Complaining about the manna? I gotta tell you, if I had been there, I know I would have been making jokes such as, "Gee, what's for dinner?" Now that's lame, too, I admit. But absolutely meaning no disrespect. So I'd have been the first to go, I suppose. Yet I have to tell you, I really do want to find the true God and do what that God wants. Are we to suppose that all those persons who were killed in the manna incident had bad hearts?
I have never understood Jehovah. I'm sorry. Guess what? I'm not stating anything he doesn't already know.
I am SO rambling here. Sorry.
I have to work through this. It's been a long time coming. Jehovah knows that. I would hope he would forgive me and understand.
SS
I don't find obedience so hard to swallow. As for barbarism, those are your thoughts. Let's put the onus where it rightly belongs, on Satan's shoulders. When Jehovah is done cleaning up after all the mess he started, it will be well worth while.
SS
Yup, obedience or death. Might makes right. Worship power. Is that animalistic, or what
SaintSatan, yes. that's how I sometimes see it, then feel guilty and terrible about myself for feeling that way.
Maybe it's just because I can't see the big picture. I always tried. In fact, at the door or during studies, I would tell persons who echoed my unspoked (hell, unformed) thoughts (unformed because they are bad and dangerous...) "Jehovah's ways are higher than our ways, and his thoughts are higher than our thoughts."
Listen, I tried to tell myself that for years. But if I, as an imperfect human, would never take away someone's life (well, I'd like to think that but I've learned "never say never"), how can I understand and love a God who would? That is contrary to my personality. Am I so out of whack and evil that I can't give God the benefit of the doubt? I guess so.
Uh oh. Not making sense... It' s bedtime for me.
When Jehovah is done cleaning up after all the mess he started, it will be well worth while
Sally,
The "mess" includes honest persons led astray who, if in better circumstances, would be loving, kind, generous persons.
Am I to believe that a loving God will "clean" up persons who would have loved him had their circumstances been different?
Witnesses believe only dedicated, baptized servants of Jah will survive A.
That, IMHO, is a horrifying thought.
You know, if A. had come in 1963, I'd be dead because I had Catholic parents and I was only 8.
If A. had come in 1988, I would have lived, because I was a baptized Witness.
If A. were to come tomorrow, I would die because I am an apostate.
I am the SAME PERSON!!!!!! Either my heart shows I'm worthy of life, or it doesnt
I mean no disrespect, In fact, I am genuinely touched by your concern. Thanks, all of you.
It's a bloody (are we allowed to say that?) mess.
Beryle, yes, you are very normal. Thing is, you are dealing with a lot of issues, deal with the falseness of the WTS phantom "jehovah" first. Then allow yourself time to make other desicions concerning belief in God. It is all a process, start over from the beginning.
Brummie
*applause*
Good for you, beryl!
Whatever you eventually decide about God and religion, the important thing is that it be something that you genuinely believe... that you're not trying to suppress your own feelings or moral judgments for the sake of conforming to dogma.
It sounds like you just passed a major milestone in the healing process. *hugs* and much love to you.
Rosemarie,
You say either your heart shows you are worthy of life or it doesn't. Our actions are what God judges us by. Be glad there is yet time to act. I know exactly how how you feel because our backgrounds are similar. Jehovah is lovingly providing this time for all to show repentence and follow Jesus' example.
Don't be so hard on yourself and just be you. The fact that you say you want to know Him shows you are worthy.
Sal
Sweet Sally, do you feel, where you are now, that you will be destroyed by God? If not, why not? If so, why?
Because I don't feel I will be, I just don't think anyone is that evil.
