What will happen to humankind? (serious)

by ScoobySnax 39 Replies latest jw friends

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  ScoobySnax

  Elsewhere, fancy stuff. Thanks. But whatever you type about Entropy or the likes, no one human can fully understand time or space. Sure if you want to look upon it as a "scientific" its only as you say what we "percieve" Percieve is a human emotion, its what our minds can cope with. As humans we try to "explain" away this phenomena in terms we can "understand".

  Time only begins when Atoms and Molecules exist you suggest, if there are none of these, time doesn't exist. When they do (matter) "emerge" (from where/what?) and bounce around they experience entrophy...which is what we percieve as the passage of time. Before them you say there is no "time" Well where did they spring from if that is the case? Where did they originate from? a vacuum place of no time? You make a huge jump from this vacuum of nonthingness devoid of space and time, to atoms bouncing about creating a term that is explainable to a simple human mind.

  Is it not easier to accept that the relativity of time as a constant, and space as equally infinite, is unmeasurable and un-quantifiable? Its playground stuff like what is the highest number?

  Its very arrogant to state it can all be explained in mere human "mathematical models" and then brush it off.
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  ScoobySnax

  BIGTEX.......as always I agree. For the most....... Death is of course a part of the Life that we live, I see this more so than many others most days. In built in humans though is the quest to live. Death will always be un-natural and repelant. The very thought repels even the most hard-hearted. Someone/thing put that within us.....and for a good reason. It helps us to look beyond and ask WHY? Thats what seperates us from the lower species and makes humans unique.
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  Satanus

  Scoob

  Death will always be un-natural and repelant. The very thought repels even the most hard-hearted.

  That's residual wt slogan. Some people look forward to death. Many people are ambivalent. Many people have accepted the fact that we are animals, although some of us add the thought that we have a touch of the divine as well. Anyway, when a person gets older, accepts the animal nature, then he loses his fear of death. It's just another fact of life. Why are dubs so scared of it? (I'm not saying you are a dub)

  SS
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  ScoobySnax

  SS.... Why turn this into a typical JW ridicule thread? Death and the fear of it isn't a "residual" WT thing or slogan, to the majority it remains repelant and un-natural. Why the grief from anyone who has lost someone they love? "some people are look forward to death" yes some do, I've seen them, so eaten up with cancer and with no hope, high on diamorphine, that they welcome a release. You see their fight stop, and acceptance come over them. Notice the words "they stop fighting" Why are they fighting SS? I've yet to see anyone think of themselves as a mere "animal" when they have had a cancer or terminal illness look them in the face, and for a fortunate few a lucky escape. Don't talk crap as to ask why are "dubs" scared of it. Everyone is. Death is un-natural, and repellant.
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  Mindchild

  This is a topic that I hate to admit that I've spent way too long thinking and worrying about. When I left the Borg, over 20 years ago, I really had a firece determination to understand the probablity matrix that the future presented. I've studied both the negative scenarios and the positive ones, as well as the "muddling through" paradigms. All I can say is that what we know for sure is that Darwinian selection and zero sum games doesn't follow any belief systems (i.e. the Bible) and that you can count on the future to be unpredictable. You already mentioned supervolcanoes and asteroid impacts, either of which can bring a rapid change in the odds of survival for humans.

  My personal belief, disasters aside, that A.I. will be the biggest driver in making humankind extinct in the next 100 years. It will be either the technological manipulation of what we are (i.e. changing our genes and wetware to become more efficent organisms and cyborgs) or the extinction of humans by vastly superior A.I. which has the capacity to evolve millions of times faster than any DNA based creature. Unchecked, in 10 years time (say 100 years ahead in the future) our mindchildren will have a billion times the mental capacity as any human brain and hundreds of million times the processing speed of our brains. The difference will be like humans now comparing ourselves to ants. If you think humans could survive in such company of alien gods, you are a lot more optimistic than I am.

  My personal hope is that human's learn how to upload ourselves into bodies that are vastly superior to any human could ever be, and that we will become immortal (by means of having duplicate copies made of ourselves that activate upon the destruction of the "living" unit). You might think that is science fiction and you might be right, but then the future often has ways of surprising us all.

  Skipper
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  Satanus

  Hey scoob, do i need to give some quotes where the wt goes on about what a terrible enemy death is? A few xdubs i talked to have mentioned that their fear of death mostly went away after leaving, mine also.

  Death is un-natural, and repellant.

  If you look at the world, as in nature, you would see it everywhere. Everything lives for a while, then dies. Animals that have 98% the same genetic code as we naturally live for a few years, and then, naturally die. So, why would we be exceptions? It's a wt lie that says otherwise.

  SS
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  caspian

  SS.

  If you look at the world, as in nature, you would see it everywhere. Everything lives for a while, then dies. Animals that have 98% the same genetic code as we naturally live for a few years, and then, naturally die. So, why would we be exceptions? It's a wt lie that says otherwise.

  True True, I can't believe that I took that one in JEEEEEZ.
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  bebu

  Scoob,

  Death will always be un-natural and repelant. The very thought repels even the most hard-hearted.

  You are right; this is not just wt thought. I've met many people from Japan who abhor the idea of death, and they consider themselves non-religious. They were nervous!

  They're not the only ones. In all of time and all across the world, death has been viewed as an evil no one could avoid.

  Unlike SS, I see this whole world as a miracle, and someone is driving the bus. Just a tiny bit closer or further from the sun, or spinning a little differently on its axis, or the nature of water being just a little different than it is, or the air being different, etc etc., and NO life could happen here. This world was precisely made, and tho' it might get ugly, God is always in control, even when people aren't. That's comforting to me these days.

  I read from Psalm 37 a lot, and Big Tex's thoughts echo here as well:

  PS 37:1-9 Do not fret because of evil men or be envious of those who do wrong; for like the grass they will soon wither, like green plants they will soon die away. Trust in the LORD and do good; dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture. Delight yourself in the LORD and he will give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to the LORD; trust in him and he will do this: He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn, the justice of your cause like the noonday sun. Be still before the LORD and wait patiently for him; do not fret when men succeed in their ways, when they carry out their wicked schemes. Refrain from anger and turn from wrath do not fret--it leads only to evil.For evil men will be cut off, but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.

  ... How will it all end? I am sure without the intervention of God, wicked people would find a way to sacrifice everyone for the sake of their own "spiritual standing" in God's eyes. I absolutely recognize that it is a possibility for us. Again, I think it could get ugly, but I don't think that humanity will be annihilated; I believe that God willl finally thwart the plans of men that would completely destroy us.

  And if God's promise of a new earth (and heaven) is true, then natural disasters will surely cease.

  --And why not? If indeed God did create us, He will certainly have a say in how he winds up His story:

  Rom 8:19

  The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

  Shakespear had some famous lines: "life's but a walking shadow; a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

  I know this is the final analysis of some people here, but it is not mine.

  bebu

  (...Er, what is this bat supposed to mean, anyway?...)
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  arancia

  hi vita nuova,i like your Dante Alighieri very nice,italian are you? ..well back to the subject i want to belive what the bible says.The thing that I do not understand is the biblic definition that is indefinitely,I always take it for not specific time,an end (mine understanding ),at God`s appointed time ,the end will come for every things. So,I do not see the point to be upset for something that is milion of years far aways ,if that is the case, Che sara`sara`.
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  Singing Man

  Witness's say man has been here no more than 6000 years when clearly he has been here much longer. The ice man that they found was there many hundreds of thousands of years the ice had been there that long. And that man had copper tools on him meaning he had been around a long time before, he somehow got caught in the ice age as it came back.