Cause of Mass Shootings Mental Health? (page 12)

Finkelstein

No one is making the claim that all guns should be banned , that's nonsensical but what needs to be banned is guns designed specifically for human warfare killing and associated attachments like bump stocks and high capacity cartridges.

The effort of doing psychological profiling before gun purchases has done little to stop people who do eventually go into a state of mental instability. ..... like Rickroll for example

There are many examples of as late such as the Las Vegas shooter who mostly used a AR-15 with a bump stock attached and high capacity cartridges. ( 59 people killed )

Then you can go fuck yourself.

Thats not very nice Rick, where are your Christian values and morals ?

Do you want to shoot us peace loving anti violence ones down ?

I guess you do as you dont really care about the general public at large , maybe its because we are going to be killed by Jehovah soon anyways ???

LoveUniHateExams

Here's a point: why should any guns be banned for everyone when it's only a tiny minority who go on shooting sprees?

Why should the responsible people who own guns legally and use them responsibly be in any way affected by the minority criminal element?

Here in the UK we have a serious knife problem, with people getting stabbed in the street.

But the majority of people don't get involved in this sh!t and are still allowed to buy and own knives. It would be dumb to ban knives, right?

iwantoutnow

Here in the UK we have a serious knife problem, with people getting stabbed in the street.
But the majority of people don't get involved in this sh!t and are still allowed to buy and own knives. It would be dumb to ban knives, right?

So how many mass stabbing killings are there?
How many schools have been closed down after a mass stabbing spree because no one could ever think about walking into that building again?

Why is the murder rate in England/Wales at 1.2/100K and the USA is 5.2/100K ?

Because Americans are more homicidal, or because you can buy guns at any fruit stand?

Public safety overrules a stupid ass 200 year old law put in a document that had NO concept of the damage it would cause.

Taking Military weapons out of public hands would fit in nicely to the "well regulated militia", part of the 2nd.

LoveUniHateExams

So how many mass stabbing killings are there? - I don't know. But what I do know is that UK has a serious problem with knife crime but banning knives for everyone would be an outrageous, moronic assault on liberty.

Public safety overrules a stupid ass 200 year old law - I get what you're saying but you've not really addressed my question, which was ... why should at least some types of guns be banned for everybody, when it's only a tiny minority of gun users who go on shooting sprees? Surely there are better ways of dealing with this problem?

rickroll

As Ratfink lies about again is "we don't want to ban all guns" Any true gun owner knows from experience or at least reading history that this is a thin veiled lie. It comes from people who know nothing about guns. These ignorant about gun individuals will say things like "we just want to ban "assault" weapons" They don't understand you can not ban assault weapons without banning many hunting rifles and target pistols and rifles and self defense firearms. The vast majority of guns sold in the world are in fact semi auto. A Remington 1100 Wingmaster used for hunting ducks and foul works the same way an AR15 or AK47 works. The Ruger Mini 14 not only works the same way an AR15 works is uses the same cartridge a 5.56 or 223. The Ruger 10/22 is the single most popular 22lr around today, and it works the same way any semi auto works. It uses some of the gas energy from the firing of the round to work the action. The action is really nothing more than a bolt action that works by gas pressure instead of your hand. So you either have to ban all guns but bolt, lever and single shot and pumps or you get what we had in the 94 crime bill, you ban pistol grips, bayonet lugs, flash suppressors and the like. The libtards know if they say lets ban your 1100 wingmaster and all semi autos they will loose every time so they do the look at the evil black gun BS, No one needs an evil black gun with a bayonet lug. They know this is just a first step. if they can take the first step then the next one will be sniper rifles I.E. scoped bolt action hunting rifles and then assault shotguns. The end is always the same and don't fall for lies its a total ban on guns.

Finkelstein

They don't understand you can not ban assault weapons
without banning many hunting rifles and target pistols and
rifles and self defense firearms.

Rick your so full of bullshit your head must be stuck somewhere dark.

Many countries have a ban on the sales of assault weapons such as the country I'm living in Canada. the UK, Australia just name a few.

Seems the murder rate by the use of guns if low in these countries, why is that ?

Simon

Seems the murder rate by the use of guns if low in these countries, why is that?

You're mistaking cause and effect - those countries never had the high rates of gun crime and are completely different societies and cultures with other drivers.

It's not purely about guns and even if it were, simply saying "ban them" is unworkable if your intention is to reduce the number of deaths.

You can take anything and claim a correlation - they have a lower percentage population of black people and black people commit more gun crime, so would banning black people from having guns reduce gun crime? If not, please explain why, if it would, please explain why you're not calling for it.

Eventually you get to "we should ban criminals from having guns" ... and I think that is already the case.

Just calling people stupid for not agreeing to your unworkable and dangerous policies is not going to convince anyone. You cannot start with the "solution" of magically removing guns because it's not going to happen and wouldn't work.

The solution is nothing todo with gun control and more todo with reducing crime and removing criminality - reducing people's desire to own guns and commit crimes with them. The areas that have the most gun crime often have the most gun control, it's clearly not the solution in itself.

rickroll

Ratfink, Canada has the population of one of the US states and its like an 80 year old woman, every one knows where she lives no one wants to visit. Second Canada has had the same issues with trying to ban assault weapons because there is no such thing. So they have not banned semi autos with detachable mags. Here are some guns that are for sale right now on GunCanada. You have destroyed your own Hypothesis.

Finkelstein

I see your point Simon but what might be the problem in the US is this country has been manufacturing and selling guns at higher rate than probably any other country in the world, all ideologically supported by its 200 year old constitutional law.

From out of this the US now has the highest ownership of guns than any country toward its given population. .

What kind of sociological problem could come out of having so many guns owned by the given general population ?

road to nowhere

Let's dissect the 2nd. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ( comma, first clause) meaning there has to be a means of defense against enemies, bad guys, whatever you call them. it needs to be equipped on par with the military of the time, and be at least somewhat standardized.

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed ( second clause). Since an army of the greatest power in the world was used to suppress the lowly citizens and it could (and has) happen again. (Power corrupts). So regular people had and have the right to own personal firearms equal to those of an army.

If you think guerillas are not equal to taking on a modern military look at Afghanistan

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