A friend needs some advice...

by onacruse 34 Replies latest jw friends

  • blondie
    blondie

    Onacruse, let me just amend my post by saying what I have personally done...nothing. I just want to fade. I figure they will come to the realization themselves.

    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

    So onacruse, if she wants to "fade," the best thing is not to say anything. But if she thinks she/he must, then pick only items that can be discussed using the Bible and WT publications.

    This is a tricky thing because this person must weigh their being able to remain a successful fader with "rescuing" a family member.

    Blondie

  • minimus
    minimus

    I'd stick with disfellowshipping. It is cruel and unusual punishment to not be able to talk to a loved one. It violates EVERYTHING Jesus did and said. The concept is taken out of scriptural concept. Viewing a person as dead suggests that we are making judgments on a person and their unreadable heart.......On a personal note, what I have found helpful, is sticking with Watchtower quotes and false prophecies. NO ONE can argue when a person's basis for dissent is the Society's own publications.So if it were me, I'd hit on just 1 subject and it would be all the false comments, flip-flops and wrong viewpoints God's "Channel" continues to express. And the faithful and discreet slave is for me, the easiest belief to puncture. That's a no-brainer.

  • Swan
    Swan

    Rather than a debate, a good fade requires an oblique approach. Here is an example:

    (Older brother and younger sister get up on stage in a family living room setting. Older brother begins.)

    "Dear, I know something has been keeping you from the meetings and field service. Would you care to talk to me about it?"

    "Well, Dad, if you must know, it bothers me that Jehovah God's name is being besmirched by the way the Society is handling these pedophile cases. People out in the field service ask about that now, and I don't know what to say to them. It sure doesn't seem loving to me to allow the pedophiles to remain in the congregations and treat the victims as if they were wrongdoers. It has given me some doubts and I need some time and some space to work through them."

    "Well, those accusations are made by apostates, and Satan controls the media."

    "All of them? Do you realize how many accounts there have been? There was another case brought out in California just over the summer. So which ones are false? All of these court cases can't be false, just like all of those made against the Catholic priests can't be false. So I just need some time to work this out. Hopefully, Jehovah will take care of the matter soon, but in the meantime, it really bothers my Bible-trained conscience. I just need some space while I do some soul searching."

    (Brother and sister exit the stage.)

    Here the fading sister has deflected her father's objection without a direct confrontation. She has also indicated she is wanting to back away with a wait and see approach to avoid a crisis of conscience. By expressing her doubts in the form of questions, her father's cognitive dissonance did not kick in full force. While still clearly in denial, he may be compelled to do some research into these cases for his daughter's sake.

    Tammy

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I would stick to issues that prick the heart. Intellectual debates go only so far, and I imagine she wants to put in a wedge in before their heart's door slams shut. So I agree with mentioning the lack of scriptural backing for the disfellowshipping procedure. That should have the most impact, because her family will soon have to decide how literally they are going to follow the Slave's advice on this matter. Let them stew over their own actions for a while.

    I want my dad's respect, too, and I understand how an intelligent woman would like to show her dad that she is intelligent, thoughtful, and wise in her choices. My dad is not a JW, just a perfectionist, with a perfectionist's goals for his daughters. I am a wiser, smarter fortysomething, and I have stopped trying to win my dad's approval directly. No matter what I do, I am still his flittery ditz of a daughter. Even when he is proud of me, he has to dish out his bit of fatherly advice. *sigh*

  • xjw_b12
    xjw_b12

    Craig:

    Well if her parents are such "dedicated" JWs, I always like to bring up the fact the WTBTS teaches that Chist is the mediator for ONLY the little flock of 144,000. The rest of us according to them do not fall under that arangement.

    Regads

    david

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