THEY'VE DONE IT!!!! The WBTS set a new date!

by dmouse 208 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Abaddon

  Well, at long last we have definative proof that JWs are de-generates.

  That 'this generation' scripture is gonna get very dusty, as, to be blunt, the 'ah, but what do you mean by generation?' Ministry of Truth routine was getting very old very quickly. Too many people could remember the "period of greater specificity" to allow the widening of definition work outside of the developing word and places where no one in a Cong has been 'in for more than a decade.

  Now, like vomit on a restroom floor finding the lowest level, they have looked reform and mainstreaming the religion bravely in the face and run away screaming "It's the end of the world as we know it (and if we vaugely allow a date of 1914+120 to become a ballpark figure, then some other poor bastards will have to sort out the doctrinal mess next time".

  And of course, we all know that the March 15th Watchtower of 2036 will say;

  "Sadly, some Witnesses allowed their entusiasm and longing for Jehovah's intervention to interpret things in a way that is inconsistant with Jesus' saying not even he knew when it was going to happen, sometimes down to placing their hopes on Armagedon happening in a specific year. This has lead to disappointment ..."

  I want to be sick...
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  got my forty homey?

  Great! I retire with a full pension on 2023 which gives me 11 more years to smoke pot and pop pills!

  You mean to say that the ark was 120 years old when the flood started~! Not even the Seattle metrodome lasted 20 years!

  More time for poor witnesses to sell magazines for a billion dollar corporation,

  What foolishness!
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  Nathan Natas

  I think we can all look forward with eager expectation to the RESURRECTION that mankind will soon witness... No, not he resurrection of ancient worthies - that took place invisibly in 1925, didn't it?

  No, I'm talking about the resurrection of chestnuts -- old chestnuts like this:

  This is, therefore, no time to be indifferent and complacent. This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that 'concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.' To the contrary, it is a time when one should be keenly aware that the end of this system of things is rapidly coming to its violent end.

  - WATCHTOWER 8/15/1968 pages 499-501
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  Nathan,

  Can I just say how it was explained to me.

  At one time the 144,000 were all there waiting for Armageddon. As the time for this drew closer some of these anointed had second thoughts and dropped out leaving less than the required total.

  Out of the 8000 + currently available candidates, sufficient have been selected to make up the number. However these newbies have to prove themselves before they can be "sealed" and this is the reason we are waiting.

  It makes no sense whatsoever to me but it makes them feel good to explain it all to me.

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  dmouse

  Out of the 8000 + currently available candidates, sufficient have been selected to make up the number. However these newbies have to prove themselves before they can be "sealed" and this is the reason we are waiting.

  Link,

  Sounds to me like your congregation are indulging in a bit of unwarranted speculation of their own. I am not aware of this idea as an official Watchtower teaching.

  Could you perhaps ask them to point out where it says this in the society's literature?
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  dmouse,

  Don't worry I asked that question too. Apparently the info was given by a speaker at some Assembly or Convention or possibly a special talk by a Bethel brother, I don't remember which exactly. I could find out. Anyway, it certainly does not appear in writing anywhere that I know of.

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  Loris

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/61183/3.ashx

  I was only half joking when I said:

  If they tie in Gen 6:3 with 1914 they can buy themselves another 30 years. If Noah's Generation stretched 120 years the modern day Generation should not think they should be any different. Didn't Jesus say that when it all goes down it would be like Noah's day? I just see it now DON'T LOOK AT THE LIGHT CAROL ANN!!!

  Loris

  Of course there are always sceptics, Logansrun said:

  The JWs are slow learners, but they do learn some things eventually. I would be utterly shocked if they applied the reasoning you state, Loris. They are going to get further and further away from "time prophecies" and will point more and more to "how bad things are" and how that must be part of the "sign." It's much easier to impress people with emotional "woe is us" arguments than complicated chronological arguments. They've learned that lesson ala 1914, 1925, 1975, this generation et cetera...

  Bradley

  They need a date. Even if it is only hinted at. It's an addiction. They can not or will not fight it. No matter how irrational.

  Loris
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  Sassy

  I don't think they will ever actually set a date again. Of course I think they claim they never did in print before?? but that it was speculation in the congregations?? but even if they did, they wouldn't be that stupid. They give you that information and then let you figure it out on your own. That way if you put a date in YOUR mind, it is you saying a date, not them.

  I am thinking if they do lead to a speculation of dates again amongst the members unofficially, my mom will be happy. She has been acting like there is only 6 mo to a year left and all upset I picked now to leave. Now she would think she had more time for me to come back.
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  Nathan Natas

  I was rereading some choice quotes and realized that I had THIS to answer the whole question about the antitypical time that Adam spent alone in Paradise. Note also the highlighted old chestnut, probably also to soon be resurrected; yes! in our day! What an exciting time to be alive!

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  Because after his creation Adam lived some time during the 'sixth day,' which unknown amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam's 930 years, to determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or 'day' ended, and how long Adam lived into the 'seventh day.' And yet the end of that sixth creative 'day' could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam's creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.. This time between Adam's creation and the beginning of the seventh day, the day of rest, let it be noted, need not have been a long time. It could have been a rather short one. The naming of the animals by Adam, and his discovery that there was no complement for himself, required no great length of time.. "

  - WATCHTOWER 8/15/1968 pages 499-501

  I also have a question about the length of a "creative day."

  Did the WTS simply decide that they would not mention the 7,000 year figure anymore, or did they actually repudiate the previous understanding?

  I was surprised to learn just within the past couple of days that Herbert W. Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church Of God, also taught that creative days were 7,000 years long and that the last 1,000 years of this creative day was going to be spent with earth under the millennial rule of Christ.
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  blondie

  Nathan, that is exactly what the WTS has done, stopped mentioning the 7,000 creative day. In the more recent "creation" publications, they now refer to the ambiguous "thousands of years" long. This topic was actually the first thing I posted about on JWD.

  Blondie