((((( Dear CHEVYSNTATS,)))))))
You said:
"AAF
Hey, did you know your signature is the abbreviation for the band Alien Ant Farm too?"
No. I didn't know! Thanks for letting me know, Chevysntats.
Christian Love,
AAF
Return To God, and He WIll Forgive You in a Large Way!
by AwakenedAndFree 270 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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AwakenedAndFree
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Abaddon
Awakened:
As a Christian , I accept the Bible as being the Inspired Word of Jehovah God
Then, without being rude, I have to say you are deceived.
In Leviticus 'Jehovah God' authorises the wholesale slaughter of a town - apart from the virgin girls who were captive. When this doesn't get enough virgins, he authorises the kidnap of virgins on their way to a festival. I find it very hard to conceive that a mloving god would authorise an action which would result in the rape of girls (let's remember most women over 14 would be married at that time so we're talking about virgin girls being raped by soldiers) who had been kidnaped, possibly by the person who had killed their parents.
Nowadays that sort of thing is a WARCRIME.
How can someone who believes god to be a loving concerened father even conceive that a book which contains such bruitality was inspired by him?
Likewise, I think Jehovah God would know that there were Bristlecone Pines growing in California before, during, and after ANY possible dates for the Global Flood we are told about in the Bible. This, and a host of other evidence attest to the Flood being a false myth that was incorporated into the Bible. Would God allow his inspired book to be filled with lies?
After the 'Flood', the Bible also tells us that God confused the languages of the builders of Babel because he was afraid that there was nothing that they could not do. When viewed with the 'fall of man' in mind, where God punished man for disobedience by effectively saying 'go on, rule yourself and see', such an action at Babel would have been a violation of such a punishment; it's like a father telling his son he can try and climb a tree if he wants and then cutting his legs of when he looked like he was going to do it.
And that is just a few bits from the first few books of the Bible. There's much more.
If you believe the Bible is God's inspired word, you are deceived, or have a cruel god in mind. The Bible is a book written by men, with all the faults and innaccuracies this means. Rather than looking for a text to show you purpose in life, you have to open your heart to truth, let the sacales fall from your eyes, and accept you either have to throw off childish understandings or remain a slave to lies.
For if the Bible cannot even portray god consistantly, or get facts straight, then it cannot be inspired, and each word must be viewed with equal suspicision. There might be wisdom in the Bible, but it's our minds which allow us to determine which parts of the Bible contain wisdom.
If we assume it's all correct we swallow the camel and strain out the gnat, as there is no evidence FOR such an assumption and an awful lot against it.
Put down the book, open your eyes, and live.
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AwakenedAndFree
(((((((( Dear Abaddon))))))), You said: "Awakened:
Then, without being rude, I have to say you are deceived.
In Leviticus 'Jehovah God' authorises the wholesale slaughter of a town - apart from the virgin girls who were captive. When this doesn't get enough virgins, he authorises the kidnap of virgins on their way to a festival. I find it very hard to conceive that a mloving god would authorise an action which would result in the rape of girls (let's remember most women over 14 would be married at that time so we're talking about virgin girls being raped by soldiers) who had been kidnaped, possibly by the person who had killed their parents. "
Nowadays that sort of thing is a WARCRIME.How can someone who believes god to be a loving concerened father even conceive that a book which contains such bruitality was inspired by him?
Likewise, I think Jehovah God would know that there were Bristlecone Pines growing in California before, during, and after ANY possible dates for the Global Flood we are told about in the Bible. This, and a host of other evidence attest to the Flood being a false myth that was incorporated into the Bible. Would God allow his inspired book to be filled with lies?
After the 'Flood', the Bible also tells us that God confused the languages of the builders of Babel because he was afraid that there was nothing that they could not do. When viewed with the 'fall of man' in mind, where God punished man for disobedience by effectively saying 'go on, rule yourself and see', such an action at Babel would have been a violation of such a punishment; it's like a father telling his son he can try and climb a tree if he wants and then cutting his legs of when he looked like he was going to do it.
And that is just a few bits from the first few books of the Bible. There's much more.
If you believe the Bible is God's inspired word, you are deceived, or have a cruel god in mind. The Bible is a book written by men, with all the faults and innaccuracies this means. Rather than looking for a text to show you purpose in life, you have to open your heart to truth, let the sacales fall from your eyes, and accept you either have to throw off childish understandings or remain a slave to lies.
For if the Bible cannot even portray god consistantly, or get facts straight, then it cannot be inspired, and each word must be viewed with equal suspicision. There might be wisdom in the Bible, but it's our minds which allow us to determine which parts of the Bible contain wisdom.
If we assume it's all correct we swallow the camel and strain out the gnat, as there is no evidence FOR such an assumption and an awful lot against it.
Put down the book, open your eyes, and live. "
AAF says:" I accept the Holy Bible as being the Inspired Word of God - I don't question my God for what He did/does and for what He will do to us , mankind!. We are God's property - His Justice is Righteous - He is God Almighty! God's toughts are Higher than ours! ISAIAH 55:8:" For the toughts of YOU people are not my thoughts, nor my ways YOU ways, is the utterance of Jehovah.NWT ISAIAH 55:9:" For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than YOUR ways, and my thoughts than YOUR thoughts."NWT 1 CORINTHIANS 10:9:" Neither let us put Jehovah to the test, as some put [him] to the test, only to perish by the serpents."NWT 2 TIMOTHY 3:16, 17 (16):" All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching , for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, (17):" that the man of God may be fully competent ,completely equipped for every good work."NWT REVELATION 19:5:" Also, a voice issued from the throne and said:" Be praising our God, all YOU his slaves, who fear him, the small ones and the great." NWT PSALMS 119:105:" Your word is a lamp to my foot, And a light to my roadway."NWT Christian Love, AAF
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fearnotruth22
the average so called christian that claims to belive that the Bible is "the INSPIRED word of God" is not qualified to come to that conclusion having only been indoctrinated to belive that, and honestly not having open mindedly considered all available facts . The pseudo scholar erroneosly believes that he is an authority on the subeject argueing in support of the "Bible", parroting what he believes that he urderstand but not having the proper credntials.
All jws here for the msot part, so we know wehere you are comming from when you quote scriptures.
Remmenber how logicalthe 1000 year creative teaching seemd, how about, the no felsh will be saved, the generation, seperation work. Now all those pseudo Bible experts that undertood those teachings so clearly have had to forcibly change the testimony(adjust views) on the Bible not based on new light but in light of the facts previously rejected. All of the tachings now believd as gospel truth may take on a completellt new meaning as "old truths" have in fact today, even the definition that the Bible is the word of God can take on a completely new meaning as Scripture is ambiguous
It takes "a leap of faith" to accept the Bible as God's because there is no concrete evidence to establish that it is unquestionably. Particularly diificult to accept is the present understaing that this Post points to, that peple need forgiveness from the God of the Bible. What debt does a mortal human have to God? only gratitude that he has received life from God. For god to require people to pay for their sins, after humans through no sin of their own are born sinners, as if death and the "heartache and thousand natural shock that flesh is heir to" is not enough paymnet , does not make sense to a reasoning man.
I am not convinced that people need any forginess from God, all need God's help. I dont belive about the wickedness in people either, I think that something is wrong with person through no fault of the pottery but the Potter can fix it.
".. it does not belong to the one wanting.. ot the one wishing.. but on God who has mercy" in my opinion in the finale God will have mercy on all and will give reasons so that the human family can forgive him for allowing them to go through with what they have. The Bible does not give "satisfying answerrs".
I am assuming that the creator is loving and good just as every human feels and understands these virtues.
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AwakenedAndFree
(((((Dearfearnotruth22,))))))
You said:"The Bible does not give "satisfying answerrs".
The Bible gives me very satisfying spiritual answers and spiritual guidance:
HEBREWS 4:12:" For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the deviding of soul and spirit , and of joints and [their] marrow and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart."NWT
PSALMS 19:7:" The law of Jehovah is perfect, bringing back the soul."NWT
Christian Love,
AAF
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fearnotruth22
Dear AA:
What youve done with my post is what people do with the Bble, Youve only addressed one sentence, isolating it from the context of my post. By doing this you misrepresent what I stated, ignoring my arguments. The statemsnt that I made about the Bible not giving satisfying answers is a conclusion supported by my argumentation as stated. You must challenge my argumentation and not my conclusion.
AA as I stated before, you are preacching to the converted. WE know the Bible from the wt perspective here. Just as the Bible satsifys you, so does the book of mormon satisfy the lds and the mishna and Talmud als satisfies the jews.Just as ancient wt teachings satisfied mistaken believers of that time
Since you are not an authority on the Bible, you are only repeating indoctrination that you are not qualified to understand or to teach, that is why the wt has commentary on every verse of the Bibe based on their understanding not yours and again and again and again inlight of the facts they have been wrong. THe verses you quoted do not support your personal conviction.the birden of proof showing that it is is upon you.You only sroll verses which prove nothing as their meaning is not known conclusively This post has exhauest arguments which gives reason to belive thatanother perspective on the Bible is possible to say the least Although you LIKE to belive what you think the Bible means, as some people like chocolate others like vanilla so what. It is pointless to repeat the great comments that Ihave read on this post pointing to another view. Just for your information, latest wt teachings are also pointing toa newer look at the Bible T
There is a problem with your thinking, and that is that you are assuming that the Bible IS from God. Since you have not proven it to this board (and aside from wt indoctrination iit is very unlikely that youhave even proven it to yyourself) , you cannot use excerpts from it which are theories and assumptions and wishfull thinking as a basis for anything, and quoting from something that is not documented is meaningless. I like hot baths, a cold beer every once in a while and I also belive that the creator is good and loving and one day will explain everything. but there are a lot of things in the Bibel that dont make sense hence as this board has argued, belief in the Bible as chrustians and jws see it is questionable and another view is possible. If you could prove that God is the Bible's author then case closed, but that cannot be done. However, there is reason for the reasonable man to question that a good and loving creator does not do ceratin thing mentioned in the Bible that he did .
Hence Post theme
Even the wt does not comit itself to any definitionbut if you carefuly read commentaries on scripture an out is always left open in case of retaction from a position. hence you will see statemenst as:
The arrangement we have at this time
We cannot read hearts
It is Better to err in mercy
present understanding
new light.
EVen the teaching as to the reward to "obedient mankind" is not clealy defined as something creatures "will be able to experience".
The conversation stopper is "I don't belive the Bible is the word of God"
and now if you want to to try t show that it is you will get nowhere, not because of rejecting facts, but because it sia waste of time using inductive and detuctive reasoning and arguments to prove something. Sure aargumentation helps but it does not replace evidence which God has not provided. Sure one day he will and will take care of everything but until then
a leap of faith. not fact
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AwakenedAndFree
(((((((Dear Fearnotruth22,))))))
You said:
"Dear AA: "...you are only repeating indoctrination that you are not qualified to understand or to teach.",
I do not agree with you. It is only Jehovah God who knows that for sure!
2 CORINTHIANS 2:14,15,16,17 : (14):" But thanks to God who always leads us in a thriumphal procession in company with Christ and makes the odor of the knowledge of him perceptible through us in every place."NWT
(15):" For to God we are a sweet odor of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing."NWT
(16):" to the latter ones an odor issuing from death to death, to the former ones an odor life to life. And who is adequately qualified for these things?"
(17):" [ We are;] for we are not peddlers of the word of God as many men are, but as out of sincerety, yes, as sent from God, under God's view, in company with Christ, we are speaking."NWT
You said:" If you could prove that God is the Bible's author then case closed, but that cannot be done."
Dear Fearnotruth22, The Bible is not a book to be proved ; it's not a scientific treatise where you prove and disprove based on theories and logic. The Bible is a book of Faith and Belief.Christian Love, AAF
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fearnotruth22
The Bible is a book to be proved, Anything requiring belief or faith MUST have a basis, except for the fool that swallows any nonsense. That is what the book study "Is the Bible really the word of God" was all about, evidebce.Wt disagrees with you. There can be no belief or faith without factual or proven basis.
Let me illusstare your l logic: The sky is blue because blue is a nice color and God likes nice colors and the Bible says that God created the sky that that is why it is blue.
"in the begining God created the heavens and the eareth" Gen 1:1
Because God is the creator he gets to choose the colors and he chose blue because he loves the human family in fact that is why the truth book book color was also blue and even though the color was darker it doesn tmatter because the pint is that it was blue and that the Bible is the word of God and that is why the sky is blue. And I belive in God and Imbelieve in the Bible and science cannot dis[prove mt beliefs because they are truse based on the Bible. That is what your arguments sound like AAf
belive what you like.
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Stacy Smith
As long as you guys keep feeding this it will never die
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fearnotruth22
You are right stacy.