Return To God, and He WIll Forgive You in a Large Way!

by AwakenedAndFree 270 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • donkey
    donkey

    I am not knocking believers here. i am just knocking the dogmatic belief that "My God is the TRUE God" attitude which then becomes an enabler to allow us to dismiss others who are different than we are or have different opinions because "the don't follow the True God". This is exactly the type of thinking that JWs use when they claim to be "in the Truth" and that all who are not in the Truth are "worldly" and as we know the "World is in the Power of the Wicked One" thus justifying their callous attitude to 99.9% of humanity.

    Jack

  • AwakenedAndFree
    AwakenedAndFree

    Dear Thomas:

    You said:

    "How can you love a god who will kill or severely punish you if you do not love Him?"

    I accept and esteem all God's judiciary decisions. His administration of justice , all His standards are based on righteousness . Jehovah God is the Supreme Judge and Statue - Giver of all mankind. I love God because I love righteousness. Because God created us , it is proper for us to give Him all the Glory, Reverence, Submission, Gratitude and Worship. By doing so, we became God's Children . We were bought with a price.

    1 Corinthians:" 7:23:" YOU were bought with a price........"

    Jehovah God is a very loving Heavenly Father: He patiently awaits for us to turn away from what is bad. If we turn to God and Love Him, we indeed have escaped God's execution of His Adverse Judgement. Loving God means that we are following God's paths of His Justice, His commandements and as well accept His conformity regarding His thinking that is described in His Word, the Bible.These requirements are not burdensome! By submitting ourselves to God and His laws/authority, we have chosen LIFE -which God will give to us to experience forever in the New Order!

    1 Corinthians 2:9:" But just as it is written:" Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him."

    Christian Love,

    AAF

  • RAYZORBLADE
    RAYZORBLADE

    It is, as I suspected and feared: a conditional contract.

    What is bad? who determines what is bad?

    I do not own, nor read a bible any longer.

    Personally, and I do mean (speaking on my own behalf), removing it, and god/God/Jehovah/YHWH or any other multitude of monikers that befit the being of 'god':

    I couldn't have been happier.

    It still screams: conditional 'everything'.

    Been there: done that.

    No thanks.

  • RAYZORBLADE
    RAYZORBLADE

    Oops! Double-post.

    My apologies.

  • JT
    JT

    EVEN DAVID REALIZED THAT GOD was Jacking folks around:

    *** Rbi8 2 Samuel 24:17 *** 17 And David proceeded to say to Jehovah, when he saw the angel that was striking the people down, yes, he proceeded to say: ?Here it is I that have sinned and it is I that have done wrong; but these sheep?what have they done? Let your hand, please, come upon me and upon the house of my father.?

    *** w69 3/15 191 Questions from Readers *** As a punishment for this sin Jehovah brought three days of pestilence that killed 70,000 Israelites. (2 Sam. 24:12-16) Was that unjust? Were 70,000 innocent people dying for the king?s error? The Bible plainly shows that we all are sinners deserving of death; it is only by God?s undeserved kindness that we live. (Rom. 3:23; 6:23; Lam. 3:22, 23) So those who died had no special ?right? to life. Additionally, can any human today say for sure that those 70,000 were not guilty of some serious sin not mentioned in the historical record?

  • JT
    JT

    Farkel put in best:

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    Human Misery For Dum*ies

  • JT
    JT

    Human Misery For Dum*ies

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    Posted by Farkel <mailto:[email protected]> [Keflar] on August 26, 2000 at 13:50:21 {hOVTmOYbDkjc7.1TE24IvhKqcjatLo}:

    WARNING!! Those of you with tender religious sensibilities should NOT read this post. Only those of you with the thickest of skins should proceed. This is going to get ugly?

    God gets bored. He decides to make some creatures to keep him company. After a while, they all get bored, too. God says, "Hey let?s make some mortal creatures and mess them all up." They all agree that is a good idea, so God creates two humans.

    "First thing we have to do is give them a test they couldn?t possibly pass, and then mess them up when they fail it," God declares. So God says (in effect) to the two humans, "Look, you both are pretty stupid, but there?s a tree over there that will give you all the knowledge of good and bad that you need to know. There?s only one minor problem. The day you eat from it, I?ll kill you."

    So the couple obeyed him.

    After a while, God becomes bored again, and says, "They?re NOT eating from that tree. What should I do? This is boring." One of his companions says, "Why don?t you trick them into eating from it?" God says, "Good idea! Let it be done." One of the companions decided that he could trick one of them by using a talking animal, so he picked a snake.

    One of the other companions said, "You moron! Snakes don?t even have vocal cords!" The first one replies, "No problem. I?ll use ventriloquism. They?re pretty dumb. They?ll think it is actually the snake that is talking."

    So the "talking" snake tricks the woman and the woman convinces the man to also eat from the tree. When they both discovered they were then in deep doo-doo with God, they declared, "Hey, we have SEX organs! We never noticed we had them before! It?s embarrassing to have SEX organs! We?d better cover ourselves up and hide from God." They were a REALLY stupid couple.

    So God says, "First, I?ll screw up the snake by knocking off his legs." And God knocked off the snake?s legs. A companion said, "Ok, God, I guess you have to keep your word and kill that couple right now." God replies, "Heck, no! It took a long time to make them.

    I think I?ll let them be miserable for, say hundreds of years. I?ll make the woman be miserable when she gives birth, I?ll make them sweat and be in pain when they work, and I?ll kick them out of the garden. I get to watch them get old, worn-out and die in pain.

    Then, I?ll make ALL of their children and children?s children miserable. That should be FUN to watch! Later on, we?ll get some guy to write that my days are 1,000 years long. No one will know the difference."

    After a while God says, "I have to have a way to let these humans know that I really enjoy killing, so I think I?ll have those two guys Cain and Abel offer up something for me. The one that doesn?t kill anything is going to be the one that suffers." Cain didn?t kill anything, so he suffered. Abel killed something and thought that by so doing that he wouldn?t have to suffer. He was wrong. Cain killed him. God thought the whole show was hilarious.

    God gets bored again. "I think I?ll kill the entire planet, except for a few folks," he said. And he did. As soon as the leader of the survivors got of the Ark, he killed something to show his gratitude for God killing everyone on the planet except him and his family.

    Later on this guy named "Nimrod" went around killing all sorts of creatures and humans and he became legendary. Nothing bad happened to him, except God got bored and let him die. God says to one of his companions, "Even though I think Nimrod was a pretty cool guy, let somebody write that I didn?t like him. I don?t want those stupid humans to know what kind of a show we really have going on up here."

    God gets bored just about the time a bunch of people decide to erect a high-rise building. God says, "I think I?ll kill them all." The companions plead with him, "Don?t do that! With all this killing it?s going to take forever to get that earth populated." God say, "Ok, but I?m still going to screw them up by giving them a whole bunch of different languages to speak. You guys take care of it, but there?s only a couple of details: 1) Make sure that only two people are able to speak each language, and make sure one is a male and the other is a female. 2)

    If a man is short, fat and ugly, make sure his companion is tall, skinny and beautiful, and vice-versa. That way at least ONE of each couple will be miserable." And it was done, and God had a ball watching those tiny bands of wretched humans who had to start all over again in building their lives, families and cultures.

    God again gets bored and tries all sorts of things for entertainment. He tries to get this guy named Abraham to kill his son, and Abraham almost did it. God promises to "bless" Abraham?s offspring for nearly killing his son, and Abraham believed him.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Was that ever a clever ruse! Abraham had no idea what was in store for his offspring: hundreds and hundreds of years of forced slavery, zillions of skirmishes and wars, and of course, God personally doing tons of killing to that "blessed" offspring over the millennia to come

    . "I?ll bet that stupid Abraham would be shocked to know I?m gonna allow 6,000,000 of his offspring to starve to death, get gassed to death and die in all sorts of horrible ways," God snarled.

    Got gets bored yet again and decides to make a bet with one of his companions: "See that guy Job down there? Mess him up. Give him boils and kill his wife and kids. Have all his friends turn on him." God wins the bet, and Job gets the booby prize: a new wife who turns out to be a total nag, and new kids who are lazy and stupid.

    "See that guy named Lot down there?", God asks. Make his three daughters seduce him into having sex with them, and then later on, have someone write how "righteous" he was. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, by the way, kill is wife, too. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

    One day one of his companions report to God that some teen-aged boys are teasing one of his prophets because he?s bald. "KILL THEM," God orders. "Get a bunch of bears to rip them to shreds." And so it was done.

    As the centuries pass, the killings and human misery keep compounding, but God is still bored. "Make a bunch of nasty viruses," he tells a companion. "I want to see some juicy pestilences. I want MILLIONS to die in the shortest possible time."

    After about 4,000 years of all this fun, God finds out that the people are beginning to get wise to his games, and God comes up with a clever plan to come out smelling like a rose: "I?m going to kill my firstborn son," he said. "That?s horrible!" he was told. "That will even make you look worse than you do now."

    God replied, "Don?t worry, I?ve got it all figured out. You keep forgetting how stupid those humans really are. Here?s the plan: I?m going to have some words written that make it look like I was the good guy through all of this, and that it was man?s fault for the misery they?re in. I?m going to have them think I?ll "save them" from all this misery by having my Son get killed. Watch! They?ll buy every word of it!"

    God almost has remorse over what is about to do, but then his son says things like "blessed are the merciful and they will be shown mercy," and "take my yoke. It is kindly and light."

    "That DOES it," God shouts. "I?m gonna kill now for sure! How DARE he say things like that?"

    So God has his son killed and makes sure the son suffers a whole bunch before he dies. The companions say to him, "Well, God you did promise those humans that once your son died that a "ransom" was fully paid and that they would be delivered from the death and miserable situation you put them into in the first place. Are you going to keep that promise now?"

    "Are you kidding?", God replied. The fun is just beginning. We?ve got the Black Plague and a half-dozen major World Wars coming up. There are hundreds of millions of more people to kill.

    The best part is that those people who believed that I killed my son to deliver them from their misery are going to be the people who do most of the killing in my name in the future! Those humans are simply a pack of idiots. Never in my wildest dreams did I think this could be so much fun."

    And the "fun" continues to this very day, and the joke is on us...

    Farkel

  • AwakenedAndFree
    AwakenedAndFree

    Dear James Thomas:

    AwakenedAndFree, Thank you for responding to my questions

    You are very Welcome!

    "You come across as a very loving and caring person. There are other Christians like you -- several on this board -- who seem to be cultivating unconditional love for their fellow man. They are some of the kindest people here. "

    Thank you so much for these loving words, Thomas - I really appreciate your kindness. You also made an observation as to Christians not applying unconditional love to Un-Christians - The Watchtower Society does NOT apply this principle, and yet the Bible admonishing us to do so. The Scriptures admonishes us to love our neighbors as ourselves - Jesus Christ admonishes Christians to continue to love their enemies. I believe very strongly that we, as Christians are to love everyone, incluiding our enemies! The Bible teaches us to do so! The Scripture in 1 Corinthians 9:19 where the apostle Paul admonishes Christians to imitate the ones not disposed to hearing the Word: " that I might by all means save some" Here is the Scripture - I love it! 1 Corinthians 9:21:" To those without law I became as without law, although I am not without law toward God but under law toward Christ, that I might gain those without law." As far as for some people not being receptive to God's Word, Christians still need to love their neighbor,irregardless!. We please Our Creator, if we do so- It is for God only to render proper judgement to the one who left Him as well for those who are not disposed to His life-saving message We are Christians and NOT Judges. One who shuns his neighbor, that one has reproached His Maker! Treating someone like" a tax collector does not translate to shunning that one" Christian Love, AAF

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Thank you again AAF, for your replies. Please do not thank me for my kindness. I probably wouldn't know "kindness" if it grabbed painfully a hold of a nipple. After all is said and done AAF, are you saying, in effect, that your God could kill the majority of all men, women and children on earth, and you would continue unfailingly in your love and admiration of Him and His "righteousness"? You would continue to rejoice at the mention of His name? You would sleep well at night? Do you equate perfect love and righteousness with your Gods actions? Please forgive all the silly questions. It's been a long time since I called myself a Christian and I am just trying to re-understand the depths of Christian love and compassion. j

  • AwakenedAndFree
    AwakenedAndFree

    Dear James Thomas: After all is said and done AAF, are you saying, in effect, that your God could kill the majority of all men, women and children on earth, and you would continue unfailingly in your love and admiration of Him and His "righteousness"? You would continue to rejoice at the mention of His name? You would sleep well at night? Thomas, God does not take it lightly nor any of His children do when God finds it necessary to execute judgement upon those meriting destruction in order to uphold His Name and His standards for rightheousness. 2 Peter 3:9:" Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain repentance." Do you equate perfect love and righteousness with your Gods actions? Yes. Godly perfect - love is guided by the principle of righteousness! I remind myself all the time that Jesus Christ died for all of us ; I highly esteem God's Sovereignty and, I do NOT want to be independent or ignorant of His laws! God possesses Superlative Wisdom, and it would be deadly if I was to choose the path of Independence. Christian Love, AAF Edited to enlarge font.

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