Is there “new light” on 1914?

by wallsofjericho 129 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jefffro

    Back in reality there isn’t a single scripture that even mentions 70 years of exile.

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    Correct,. Not that exact expression but the 70 years are discussed or mean an exile:

    The Bible says 70 years was a period of all the nations serving Babylon which means an Exile.

    that nations could avoid exile by serving Babylon willingly, that Babylon was called to account when 70 years ended which again describes an Exile.

    that 70 years ended when Persia began to reign which marked the end of the Exile.

    and that attention was given to the Jews’ return after the 70 years ended such ending refers to the end of the Exile.

    scholar JW





  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    🤦‍♂️ It’s like he’s never actually read the Bible.

    Notice how the apologist avoids quoting the relevant scriptures.

    607 for Beginners includes full quotes of supporting scriptures.

  • Rattigan350
    Rattigan350

    Mikejw " am I correct in thinking that you believe the JW 1914 doctrine?"

    Go back to page 5 and look at the graphic I posted. It is not the JW 1914 doctrine as it preceded JWs.

  • Rattigan350
    Rattigan350

    Jeffro, "The Bible says 70 years was a period of all the nations serving Babylon"

    No. The ones who mentioned 70 years was Jeremiah and then Daniel

    Daniel knew when it ended because he knew when it started. It started when he went to Babylon in 607. That is when the 7 times started counting when he went to Babylon.

  • Jer2527
    Jer2527

    Rattigan350 3 hours ago

    "Daniel knew when it ended because he knew when it started. It started when he went to Babylon in 607. That is when the 7 times started counting when he went to Babylon."

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    Daniel was not taken to Babylon in 607 BC.

    He was taken there in 605 BC.

    He was taken there in 605 BC because the Jews refused to serve the King of Babylon from 609 BC and instead had made or had tried to make an alliance with Egypt, so Babylon came, gave them a slap and 'took spoil' putting them in their place, Daniel being part of this spoil.

    We know this because Daniel was already there, in Babylon, for Nebuchadnezzar's 2nd year, aka 604 BC, where he was then on hand to interpreted the Kings dream:

    Daniel 2:1 In the second year of his kingship, Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar had a number of dreams, and he was so agitated that he could not sleep.

    Nebuchadnezzars 1st year was 605 BC - when Daniel was taken.

    Nebuchadnezzars 2nd year was 604 BC

    Nebuchadnezzars 19th year was 586 BC, when Jerusalem was finally destroyed:

    2 Kings 25:8-10 In the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month, that is, in the 19th year of King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar the king of Babylon, Neb·uʹzar·adʹan the chief of the guard, the servant of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem. He burned down the house of Jehovah, the king’s house, and all the houses of Jerusalem; he also burned down the house of every prominent man. And the walls surrounding Jerusalem were pulled down by the entire Chal·deʹan army that was with the chief of the guard.

    Previous to this, Nebuchadnezzars again HAD to came to Jerusalem because it had still not properly subjected itself after the slap of 605 BC. This time, a great many were further taken captive. This occured in 697 BC.

    This additional, larger exile, occurred, according to Jeremiah, in Nebuchadnezzars 8th year or 605 - 8 = 697 BC.

    2 Kings 24:12 King Je·hoiʹa·chin of Judah went out to the king of Babylon, along with his mother, his servants, his princes, and his court officials; and the king of Babylon took him captive in the eighth year of his reign.

    2 Kings 24:14 He took into exile all Jerusalem, all the princes, all the mighty warriors, and every craftsman and metalworker—he took 10,000 into exile. No one was left behind except the poorest people of the land.

    That the exile began, WAY BEFORE THE CITY FELL, can be seen from examining Ezekiel's later words:

    Ezekiel 40:1 In the 25th year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth day of the month, in the 14th year after the city had fallen, on that very day the hand of Jehovah was upon me, and he took me to the city.

    The 25th year of exile is refering to the big one which occured in 597 BC

    25 years after this was 597 - 25 = 572 BC where Ezekiel receives the temple vision.

    NOTE THAT THIS IS 14 YEARS AFTER THE FALL OF THE CITY.

    572 + 14 = 586 BC

    JERUSALEM FELL IN 586 BC

    THE JEWS WERE HANDED OVER TO SERVE BABYLON FROM 609 BC

    Because they refused to subject, this ended up in exile 1, a small one, this taking place in 605 BC - where Daniel was taken captive.

    A larger exile in 697 BC

    Then in Jerusalem's destruction in 586 BC

    ALL THIS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT SUBJECT FROM 609 BC

    Jeremiah 25:11, 12 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’ “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.

    Some people just cannot listen and instead chose suffering...
  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    It’s like he’s never actually read the Bible.

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    The difference between you and scholar is that scholar actually believes the Bible.

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    Notice how the apologist avoids quoting the relevant scriptures.

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    Scholar does quote scriptures where required and simply uses the same texts that you do.

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    Your website includes full quotes of supporting scriptures.

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    So does WT publications including the said scholar but it is the interpretation of those texts that is imp[ortant not the quoting of them.

    Regarding your website about 607 BCE if it is a suitable resource then why not provide a single line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE?

    scholar JW


  • Elena
    Elena

    A single line of evidence that disproves 607 is that Nebuchadnezzar was not king yet, he was king 20yrs later when he really destroyed Jerusalem.

    If you disagree with this and agree with the JWs then you disagree with every expert both historians and scholars

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    ‘scholar’:

    why not provide a single line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE?

    You keep rattling off that nonsense, but 607 has been thoroughly debunked from every angle. You aren’t making any sense. It’s like you’re objecting to the fact that there’s not just exactly one problem with it. 🤷‍♂️

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    You keep rattling off that nonsense, but 607 has been thoroughly debunked from every angle. You aren’t making any sense. It’s like you’re objecting to the fact that there’s not just exactly one problem with i

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    Well if it has been so thoroughly debunked as you claim then you should have no pwoblem in providing one line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE. Stop the obfuscation and special pleading.

    scholar JW

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Already provided link to information that more than adequately shows 607 nonsense to be wrong.

    No obfuscation, no special pleading.

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