Is there “new light” on 1914? (page 12)

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Jeffro

Already provided link to information that more than adequately shows 607 nonsense to be wrong.

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Everything but a single line of evidence to disprove 607 BCE?

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Jer2527

Daniel was not taken to Babylon in 607 BC.

He was taken there in 605 BC.

He was taken there in 605 BC because the Jews refused to serve the King of Babylon from 609 BC and instead had made or had tried to make an alliance with Egypt, so Babylon came, gave them a slap and 'took spoil' putting them in their place, Daniel being part of this spoil.

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Incorrect. Daniel along with King Jehoiakim of Judah and others were deported to Babylon in 597 BCE and not 605 BCE as shown in Dan.1:1.as Nebuchadnezzer came up against Judah for the first time because of Jehoiakim's rebellion.

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Daniel 2:1 In the second year of his kingship, Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar had a number of dreams, and he was so agitated that he could not sleep.

Nebuchadnezzars 1st year was 605 BC - when Daniel was taken.

Nebuchadnezzars 2nd year was 604 BC

Nebuchadnezzars 19th year was 586 BC, when Jerusalem was finally destroyed:

2 Kings 25:8-10 In the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month, that is, in the 19th year of King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar the king of Babylon, Neb·uʹzar·adʹan the chief of the guard, the servant of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem. He burned down the house of Jehovah, the king’s house, and all the houses of Jerusalem; he also burned down the house of every prominent man. And the walls surrounding Jerusalem were pulled down by the entire Chal·deʹan army that was with the chief of the guard.

Previous to this, Nebuchadnezzars again HAD to came to Jerusalem because it had still not properly subjected itself after the slap of 605 BC. This time, a great many were further taken captive. This occured in 697 BC.

This additional, larger exile, occurred, according to Jeremiah, in Nebuchadnezzars 8th year or 605 - 8 = 697 BC.

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Your Chronology for Neb's reign needs to be adjusted to 20 years in order for it to synchronize with Bible Chronology which is far superior to NB Chronology.

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This additional, larger exile, occurred, according to Jeremiah, in Nebuchadnezzars 8th year or 605 - 8 = 697 BC.

2 Kings 24:12 King Je·hoiʹa·chin of Judah went out to the king of Babylon, along with his mother, his servants, his princes, and his court officials; and the king of Babylon took him captive in the eighth year of his reign.

2 Kings 24:14 He took into exile all Jerusalem, all the princes, all the mighty warriors, and every craftsman and metalworker—he took 10,000 into exile. No one was left behind except the poorest people of the land.

That the exile began, WAY BEFORE THE CITY FELL, can be seen from examining Ezekiel's later words:

Ezekiel 40:1 In the 25th year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth day of the month, in the 14th year after the city had fallen, on that very day the hand of Jehovah was upon me, and he took me to the city.

The 25th year of exile is refering to the big one which occured in 597 BC

25 years after this was 597 - 25 = 572 BC where Ezekiel receives the temple vision.

NOTE THAT THIS IS 14 YEARS AFTER THE FALL OF THE CITY.

572 + 14 = 586 BC

JERUSALEM FELL IN 586 BC

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Incorrect for your Chronology has a shortfall or gap of 20 years and thus needs to 'fine-tuned' in order for it to synchronize with Bible-based Chronology. Jeffro would not be happy that you state that Jerusalem fell in 586 BCE and not 587 BCE so you have a big problem with this date.

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THE JEWS WERE HANDED OVER TO SERVE BABYLON FROM 609 BC

Because they refused to subject, this ended up in exile 1, a small one, this taking place in 605 BC - where Daniel was taken captive.

A larger exile in 697 BC

Then in Jerusalem's destruction in 586 BC

ALL THIS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT SUBJECT FROM 609 BC

Jeremiah 25:11, 12 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’ “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.

Some people just cannot listen and instead chose suffering...

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The Exile began with the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple with the total deportation of its population in 607 BCE and lasted for 70 years however there was adeportation of Jewry some ten years earlier but this was not the Exile.

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slimboyfat

I’ve not read the whole thread, but in answer to the opening post I do believe it’s possible the GB will revise the 1914 teaching, given all the recent changes they’ve made. If they are taking the religion seriously then you’d think something needs to be done about it sooner or later. Maybe not abandon it altogether. I don’t know. Given the state of the world and the threats to the human race it is pretty ironic timing to be abandoning endtimes focus altogether, so maybe they won’t do that. So how do they abandon 1914 and keep the endtimes orientation? If Fred Franz was still around he might have come up with a new interpretation of the endtimes but there is nobody on the GB now who is up to the task. The projected AI “singularity” to fall sometime 2029 or 2045 according to various futurists seems tantalisingly close to 2034 that some have suggested Watchtower could tie into 1914 plus 120 years. But if they were going to point to 2034 in any significant way they are leaving it pretty late now.

ThomasMore

At their current rate of decline, I really think there will be little left if them in 2034. Maybe I will be wrong but I don’t think so. My source indicated that things were dire - that was a few years ago.

slimboyfat

They grew by 1.4% last year? That’s not decline that’s growth.

Number of congregations has gone down slightly in recent years, which is the best evidence for decline, but that is a very modest drop compared to other churches, and even at that, the number of congregations actually went up slightly in 2023.

dropoffyourkeylee

But if they were going to point to 2034 in any significant way they are leaving it pretty late now

Curious phenomenon of apocalyptic date setting is that it tends to put the 'end' about 25-40 years in the future.

A few examples come to mind:

Jesus to apostles, not a stone left upon a stone, 33-70 = 37 years

William Miller, came to belief in 1818 that the end was coming in 1844 = 26 yrs

Charles Taze Russell, 1874 to end of 'Gentile Times' in 1914 = 40 years

Fred Franz, 1967 to a vague 'end of the 1914-generation of (abt 1994 or so) = 27 yrs

There's probably a human psychological reason for this, maybe because people can buy into something if it is later in their life and they can see themselves living that long. If the date selected is shorter than that (ie Rutherford's 1025) it just makes them look stupid. If it is longer than 40 years it isn't believable; seems so far off that no one can relate to it.

I'm being cynical, but if the WT wants to set a date, they'll have to spin something around 2050-2065.

Acluetofindtheuser

What about that Apophis asteroid coming in 2029? I read it was going to get near where the satellites orbit. Can the world temporarily live without communication and GPS location tracking if it does some damage? If something does happen the org may use this as "signs from heaven" proof.

Vidiot

ThomasMore - “…My source indicated that things were dire - that was a few years ago…”

Not heard from ‘em lately?

Teddnzo

Doom is always just around the corner

this sells newsletters and religions

Is there “new light” on 1914?

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