Trump Tariffs started today, Some Countries Caved in early morning.

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  • Balaamsass2
    Balaamsass2

    :) Some background on the "carefully crafted" tariffs on remote islands;

    "A Tariff Whodunit: How a Tiny French Archipelago Became Trump’s Top Target

    Locals in some of the most remote parts of the globe are sifting through records to figure out how they landed on the list"

    Out on the tiny islands of St. Pierre and Miquelon, locals spent the past few days trying to get to the bottom of a perplexing mystery: Who sold so much stuff to a buyer or buyers in the U.S. that it got hit with a tariff of 50%, the most punitive of all of President Trump’s levies this week?

    “We were stunned,” said Thierry Hamel, who works in the mayor’s office on one of the islands, which are French overseas territory perched a few miles off the coast of Canada.

    The question of what triggered a trade war between this barren archipelago and the world’s biggest economy is consuming officials here. “We are 6,000 people and export nearly nothing to the U.S., except maybe some tuna,” Hamel said earlier this week, his shrug almost audible down the phone line.

    U.S. trade data show the islands sold virtually nothing to the U.S. for the past 10 years, except in July 2024 when $3.4 million in goods was sent to America. In the immediate aftermath of Trump’s announcement Hamel was scratching his head over who had done this sudden chunk of business with America. “Someone sold an aircraft a few years back,” mused Hamel as he racked his brain, adding he thought it was sold to Colombia.

    Before that the last time the island did serious business with the U.S., he said, was during prohibition in the 1920s when it became a waypoint for Canadian whisky being smuggled stateside.

    The fact that the territory produces very little is a running joke in France. The day before the tariff announcement, French state TV ran an April Fools’ segment joking that the French were planning to source new heavy artillery weapons from the archipelago.

    Some of the most remote parts of the world were swept up in Trump’s tariffs this week, sparking questions about how his administration concluded it was being cheated by places few even knew existed.

    Those in the administration’s crosshairs include Nauru, one of the world’s smallest countries with a population of around 11,000. The tariffs also hit some places that aren’t technically countries, including the frozen Norwegian archipelago of Svalbard and La Reunion, a piece of France located in the Indian Ocean. Some targets are only inhabited by animals. Heard Island and McDonald Islands, a territory of Australia, are home to penguins and not much else.

    Polar bear sitting on rocks near the water in Svalbard.Tariffs hit some places that aren’t technically countries, including the Norwegian archipelago of Svalbard. Photo: Angela Owens/WSJ

    “Poor old penguins,” Don Farrell, Australia’s trade minister, said in a television interview Friday. “Don’t know what they did to Mr. Trump.”

    Economists have been trying to work it out, too.

    It turns out the White House calculated the tariffs on some 200 countries in two main ways. For most, it set out a flat tariff of 10%.

    For the others, it took the amount of a country’s trade imbalance with America, then divided it by the value of the goods the U.S. imports from that nation. It said that figure represented the tariff applied to American goods.

    From there, the Trump administration roughly halved that figure to come up with a new levy of its own.

    Four king penguins on Heard Island.Heard Island is home to penguins and not much else. Photo: Inger Vandyke/Universal Images Group/Getty Images

    The results have raised a few eyebrows. The Falkland Islands, a British overseas territory off the coast of Argentina, is petitioning the U.K. government to help it understand how it got hit with a 41% tariff. Teslyn Barkman, who looks after trade matters in the Falklands’ legislative assembly, said it couldn’t figure out the Trump administration’s math and said 90% of the country’s fish exports went to Europe, providing a large quantity of calamari eaten in Spain.

    “We have one flight arriving here a week,” she said, adding she wasn’t sure what was sent stateside but assumed it wasn’t very much.

    Local officials in Norfolk Island, a tiny external territory of Australia in the Pacific largely dependent on tourism, were similarly caught off guard. Initial information from the Trump administration suggested Norfolk Island would be hit by a 29% reciprocal tariff, higher than the 10% levied on the rest of Australia.

    “We were astonished,” said George Plant, the island’s administrator, who didn’t think Norfolk Island would appear on a government list in faraway Washington.

    The only island export he could recall was seeds for Kentia palms, a popular indoor plant, which he said had gone to Europe. He couldn’t think of anything the island sends to the U.S., nor figure out why people in the Trump administration thought Norfolk Island imposed such hefty trade barriers to justify a high reciprocal tariff.

    “We don’t have tariffs, and we don’t have any non-tariff barriers that would affect any exports from the United States,” he said. “The only export we have is happy people.”

    From what little data is available, the island has a substantial trade deficit. In 2022, it exported $1.96 million but imported $28.1 million, according to a report prepared for the local government, which cited figures from the Observatory of Economic Complexity. Exports to the U.S. were estimated at $271,000.

    Aerial view of Norfolk Island's historic precinct.An official in Norfolk Island said he couldn’t think of anything it sends to the U.S. Photo: David Kirkland/Universal Images Group/Getty Images

    Craig Wilson, managing director at DeltaPearl Partners, which prepared the report, said he suspected the OEC figures are based on official U.S. data, which could be wrong. He said he doesn’t know of any actual exports from Norfolk Island to the U.S.

    “If you stood at the bowls club on a Friday night and asked anyone if they knew of any exporters, they’d all say no,” Wilson said, referring to the island’s popular lawn bowling club.

    Part of this conundrum can be explained by the fact that some of the goods that arrived in the U.S. appear to have been mislabeled as coming from the island, including a supply of leather for shoes.

    Despite the initial shock, Emily Ryves, who makes cheese and skin care products at the Hilli Goat on Norfolk Island, said the tariffs wouldn’t impact her business because she doesn’t send products to the U.S.

    “We’re just a tiny island on the other side of the world,” she said. “Nobody even really knows where we are.”

    Back in St. Pierre and Miquelon, meanwhile, Hamel and the local team were beginning to get a sense of what might have happened.

    Buildings on the island of L'Ile-aux-Marins, in Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.Officials in St. Pierre and Miquelon parsed through the trade books to figure out what the islands sold to the U.S. Photo: Chantal Briand/AFP/Getty Images

    Though linked to France, the islands impose their own customs tariffs, including a 100% levy on American whiskey, though rarely is anything imported directly from the U.S.

    After parsing through the trade books, officials thought they found the answer. Someone in 2024 had sold some $3 million of halibut and other seafood to the U.S., triggering Washington’s massive trade response.

    “It was a truly exceptional sale,” said Hamel. “We rarely do business directly with America.”

    As for the halibut monger, his or her identity remains a mystery."

    https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/tariffs-trump-trade-world-economy-markets-d7cf8c17?st=NjkHpK&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @Balaamsass before the election got underway I made a prediction here that the media would take the current (at that point) depression that the Biden gang for some reason never had labeled as a depression and blame it on Trump.

    A little while ago, people were complaining (under Biden) that the P/E ratios of most stocks was incredibly high, NVIDIA at one point had a triple digits P/E ratio (meaning the stock was trading at more than twice the actual value of the company) which is an indication other options (debt, bonds, trade) was inherently untrustworthy. Biden and the Fed prevented a full correction temporarily by DURING the election (which had never been done before) lowering the rates on the Fed despite having massive inflation for months.

    The market rushing to treasury is a good thing, at least for the US, it means people are buying USD investments rather than Chinese or European. The yields lower, because it is a market, demand is high, so the US doesn’t have to promise to pay back more than is being invested in the future which is good (that yield is currently mostly funded by even more debt).

    As far as the tariffs themselves, there is a reason other countries have them. Whether it is protecting your own food supply or steel supply, a lot of those things are necessary in full blown war, as Ukraine and Europe recently found out. Yes, to those importing cheap supplies, they will no longer be able to undercut their competition with sub-par steel beams (https://fortune.com/asia/2025/04/02/bangkok-skyscraper-collapse-earthquake-substandard-steel/) and radioactive drywall (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_drywall) or lumber (https://nchh.org/2015/03/formaldehyde-and-wood-products/) or cars (https://youtu.be/CWwuHKrw8Cc?si=9hYtYrLX7U5zkz62) all of which many other countries, including the EU and US have historically permitted or even made exceptions for (eg. BYD in EU market are death traps that don’t have functional airbags).

    As far as the “story” about the penguins - I’m sure we’re not trading with the penguins, so either this is a non-story, as we don’t trade ANYWAY with the penguins, so we’re just stunting with numbers (1M% tariffs on 0 is still 0). Or the MSM is ignoring the real problem - that penguins are trading millions of dollars annually - which would be convenient for someone to hide streams of money. So what is really going on, my bet is on the last things through the WEF and World Bank, all sorts of shenanigans have been going on that are ‘legalized’ by previous administrations. Same with the Falklands, they are supposedly trading 90% of their fish with the EU, yet millions of dollars in trade ends up being paid for by the US (and by that we mean the US taxpayer) through a mysterious fishmonger that nobody seems to know about… something ‘fishy’ is going on.

  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    "NVIDIA at one point had a triple digits P/E ratio (meaning the stock was trading at more than twice the actual value of the company)"

    A triple digit P/E ratio probably means much more than simply twice a company's value. What's the net tangible asset backing per share?

  • AnnaNana
    AnnaNana

    hoser said:

    I was thinking the same thing about the stock markets when the current president went back and forth on tariffs the last few months.

    He would put them on then the next day day them off

    Anyone with prior Knowledge to the announcement could pocket millions from the stock market if they were positioned correctly.

    The executive order makes clear certain items have until April 9th as regards making it prior to the application of the new tariffs.

    Anyone who knows how to look up what ships are already on the way could make a profit if they knew how to do that kind of thing.

  • joey jojo
    joey jojo

    Trumps game has just earned America a 34% tariff on all goods going to China.

    Trump wants more manufacturing in the US, which might be a good idea ( it might not be), but that is not going to happen overnight,it would take years for companies to set up in the US.

    In the meantime, US consumers pay far more than before for every single item from overseas, including inputs needed for existing manufacturing. Other countries will impose reciprocal tariffs, undermining the sales of any US made items - although most countries are trying to avoid this, to avoid escalation, making it worse for everyone. The rest of the world will find other markets to buy and sell where possible, avoiding the US completely.

    In this scenario, I can't see any tax cuts coming anytime soon for US taxpayers. Trumps plan might be short term but if it isn't, how much retirement savings will people lose if the stock market keeps crashing?

  • Balaamsass2
    Balaamsass2

    As far as tariffs on Canadians....I always thought they were up to something. :)

    They even made a movie about it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BaR5DxgY-c

  • AnnaNana
  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @joey jojo: in the mean time car parts manufacturers have set up factories in a matter of months and are now up and running, some people saw what was coming and invested, those people are going to be rich in short order. Hyundai and Tesla both did their mega-factories in just 2 years. There is plenty of empty manufacturing space ‘today’ that can simply be reopened, there are plenty of manufacturers that simply can hire more people and manufacture more ‘today’, where that employment historically has gone abroad.

    The problem is not space or machines, it is people. We currently have 40% of working-age people ‘not working’ at all, that’s a massive amount that is unemployed and collecting welfare (the unemployment rate has been a lie since Obama changed the definition to <6 months). One of the things we absolutely have to do is reduce the total welfare package from the current equivalent of $25/h wages (between unemployment, food stamps, rent assistance, transportation assistance, cell phones, Medicaid etc) to at least minimum wage and eliminate people from the system that can but don’t want to work, guess what, suddenly you’ll see millions of people willing to work, reduce crime and increase the economy.

  • AnnaNana
    AnnaNana

    @anonymous, your viewpoint is not balanced with compassion or grounded in reality.

    There are many people who work very hard but still suffer. There are many people who need assistance but who are overlooked while scammers scam the system.

    Only God's kingdom can fix such things.

  • joey jojo
    joey jojo

    Anonymous, let's say that Tesla and Hyundai built factories in a couple of years. How many years of planning went into that decision?

    Let's be generous and say 3 - 4 years from conception to manufacturing. That's Trumps time in office done, unless he changes the laws , which is possible. You are also assuming that all companies will play Trumps game.

    It's more likely that the rest of the world will never trust America again and take measures to ensure they are not put in the same position in the future.

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