So you think I'm a hypocrite? (page 6)

Englishman

this is why I find it so hard to accept that there are any truly good elders. A good elder would see all the hurt and speak out. Through speaking out he'd be condemned by his peers on the body. He'd then either have to leave or be pushed. A "good elder" would end up here, in all probability - or at the very least he'd leave Watchtower for good. Any elder who sticks around for position or just sits on the fence isn't good at all. He's gutless.

My dad believed that the WT had the truth, but, as a PO he also believed that many elders had no right to hold that position. Several times in the Matlock (Derbyshire) congregation he stood his ground and refused to agree to DF'ings because he felt that the other elders were acting in their own interests. He caused chaos by doing this.

He eventually was moved elsewhere. BTW, the 2 elders concerned met tragic ends which really caused tongues to wag. Even Korah was mentioned.

Englishman.

Dansk

My dad believed that the WT had the truth, but, as a PO he also believed that many elders had no right to hold that position. Several times in the Matlock (Derbyshire) congregation he stood his ground and refused to agree to DF'ings because he felt that the other elders were acting in their own interests. He caused chaos by doing this.

WHAT A GREAT GUY!!

Ian

anglise

DTM

No you are not being a hypocrite.

Most if not all on this board dont know all your JW background and/or emotional and family ties to it. All of these have a vast influence on how long it will take you to leave the WTBTS. Maybe it will turn out that you never will.

Having said that said, how ever hard or long you try you will never be able to change the org from the inside. Many here have tried that and failed, but maybe you need time to prove that for yourself. The longer you stay the greater the toll on your mental stability. Dont let the price of failing be too high.

To those who have jumped up and down:

It is very easy to forget how we used to feel when we first came to a true understanding of the "TRUTH". Very few of us will have left immediately. For most it takes time to assimilate what leaving will mean to us and our families and friends and maybe even our secular work.

For some it is the second time that they will be looking at starting again by leaving a once firmly held belief and maybe a large network of friends, so this enormous step is not undertaken lightly.

Everyones journey back to the world from JW land is differant and undertaken for various reasons.

DTM has only been posting here for a very short time, Just doing that takes the type of courage that only someone who was/is a real JW will understand.

Take care DTM and dont forget to come and tell how you are getting on.

Anglise

minimus

We all have different circumstances and situations that make us do or not do the things we're "SUPPOSED" to accomplish in our life. Everyone has a different pace. Plenty of persons on board here remained as JWs until THEY felt it was time for THEM to go. Does that make the MAJORITY of posters here hypocrites??? Get off your high horse!! Who made you judges? Are some of you criticizers immune to hypocrisy in your life----EVER??? Were you EVER a hypocrite in ANYTHING? Pulheese.....Pride yourself in not being a hypocrite----if that makes you feel better. If attacking a new poster is your way of showing "tough love", well, I hope you're successful at whatever your aim is. These harsh comments remind me of the very people many of you detest.

Englishman

WHAT A GREAT GUY!!
Ian

Yes, he was. The last time I saw him was in a pub called The Hundred House near Shifnal. He told me all of this that had taken place a couple of years before. We spoke as Father and Son for the first time in over 12 years, and I felt that maybe he wasn't so convinced of things as he had once been. He died a couple of months later, so I didn't ever get the chance to pursue the conversation. I think that he felt that he had a relationship with his God but he was struggling - I think - with the way that the society was being run.

Englishman.

mouthy

Englishman Isnt it wonderful God looks at the heart..... Maybe I will meet him one day....When I get to MY mansion who knows he may live next door.I will tell him what you said about him

ChimChim

The sooner you do, the better. If you think you will do great hanging here and serving Jehovah at the same time, you are wrong. Many here are JW-haters. You are an elder for sake. I wonder how you can sleep at night.

Joker 10:

No offense, but you need to lighten up, give him a break. Not all of us are JW haters and we will accept him and read his posts. Just because you do not accept him, dong judge him just because you don't like the fact that he is still an elder and posts his thoughts here. It's not your choice or your fate, he can stay as long as he wishes.

C.C

Sirona

Minimus,

Get off your high horse!! Who made you judges? Are some of you criticizers immune to hypocrisy in your life----EVER??? Were you EVER a hypocrite in ANYTHING? Pulheese.....Pride yourself in not being a hypocrite----if that makes you feel better.

I don't think any of us said that we were not guilty of hypocrisy. The fact remains that dothemath asked us a question and I answered it - stating it as my opinion. I think someone mentioned that we are all guilty of being hypocrites at some point in our lives and I agree with that. Does that mean we cannot point out any further hypocrisy? No, we are, in some circumstances, obligated to speak out if we think someone's actions are wrong and may hurt people. Example: Person A is guilty of deception. Person B is also guilty of deception. Person B asks person A : Do you think I'm deceptive? Person A is not wrong to say "yes I do" just because they have been guilty of the same thing. In fact, it would be more wrong for person A to say "No!! You're fine, carry on the same way", because that would facilitate person B's self-delusion that deceiving others is OK. Are you seriously suggesting that we should sit by when we feel something is wrong and just keep our mouth shut? That is what the Organisation of JW's wants!

If attacking a new poster is your way of showing "tough love", well, I hope you're successful at whatever your aim is. These harsh comments remind me of the very people many of you detest.

Attacking? I'm sure you are aware that "new posters" are people and they are just as responsible for their actions as any of us. It doesn't make sense to lie to new posters just to keep them sweet. Therefore, when asked the question "do you think I'm a hypocrite?" I thought I'd answer with my honest opinion. He sounds like a big boy who can handle it. Sirona

Englishman

Mouthy

Englishman.

Sirona

LT

Darn, ya mean that sharp tongue isn't coming out to play?

Well, maybe if you get rough with me....

Sirona

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