by TakeOffTheCrown 138 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Pale emperor, when nicolaou says JWs are Christians he doesn't mean it as a compliment to JWs, he means it as an insult to Christianity.
It's a pretty odd thing to insist upon for an atheist anyway, and was never explained what the criteria is supposed to be: historical, practice, theology? Or if any group that self-identifies as Christian could ever be disqualified by the proposed criteria.
Googling for "Kiergegaaard" I found this site "Science". What is this about. Is this about God? Did jehovah write this wikiquotes?
If jehovah had really something to say then this would be the occassion to say it now and to post a comment here and now. If he agrees or not.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Science
We have become aware of the massive information contained in the genes. There is no known way to science how that information can arise spontaneously. It requires an intelligence; it cannot arise from chance events. Just mixing letters does not produce words.” He added: “For example, the very complex DNA, RNA, protein replicating system in the cell must have been perfect from the very start. If not, life systems could not exist. The only logical explanation is that this vast quantity of information came from an intelligence.
- Maciej Giertych, a noted geneticist from the Institute of Dendrology of the Polish Academy of Sciences, Interviewed in a documentary film. Cited in the book: Is There a Creator Who Cares About You? published by Jehovah's Witnesses.
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This is a poem by Klopstock - in this poem "Jehova" was reality in the role of the "Weathergod".
http://www.sn.schule.de/~fb-deutsch/downloads/komm-ins-offene.pdf
Klopstock lived 1724-1803, he used "jehovah"
(Vgl. die 1. Fassung)
| Nicht in den Ozean der Welten alle Will ich mich stürzen! schweben nicht, Wo die ersten Erschaffnen, die Jubelchöre der Söhne des Lichts, Anbeten, tief anbeten! und in Entzückung vergehn! Nur um den Tropfen am Eimer, Da der Hand des Allmächtigen Da ein Strom des Lichts rauscht', und unsre Sonne wurde! Wer sind die tausendmal tausend, wer die Myriaden alle, Aber du Frühlingswürmchen, Ich bin heraus gegangen anzubeten, Du wirst die Zweifel alle mir enthüllen, Bist du nur gebildeter Staub, Ergeuß von neuem du, mein Auge, Umwunden wieder, mit Palmen Mit tiefer Ehrfurcht schau ich die Schöpfung an, Lüfte, die um mich wehn, und sanfte Kühlung Aber jetzt werden sie still, kaum athmen sie. Nun schweben sie, rauschen sie, wirbeln die Winde! Der Wald neigt sich, der Strom fliehet, und ich Zürnest du, Herr, Sie komt, Erfrischung auszuschütten, Alles ist still vor dir, du Naher! Ach, vermöcht' ich dich, Herr, wie ich dürste, zu preisen! Seht ihr den Zeugen des Nahen den zückenden Strahl? Herr! Herr! Gott! Und die Gewitterwinde? sie tragen den Donner! Seht ihr den neuen Zeugen des Nahen, den fliegenden Strahl? Aber nicht unsre Hütte! Ach, schon rauscht, schon rauscht Siehe, nun komt Jehova nicht mehr im Wetter, |
Let's start with something a lot of people will find theologically absurd or offensive, and break it down from there.
If I say that Jehovah (remember, He causes to become) is another name for Brahma, and that Jesus is Krishna, and I preach the selfless and reciprocationist gospel of Jesus, am I still Christian?
If I do away with the supernatural and just encourage a philosophy of being selfless and loving your neighbor, am I still Christian?
If I do that but I never mention Jesus, am I still Christian?
TWoY: "--this vast quantity of information came from an intelligence.
But you can never attribute that work to the deity or the trio featured in the bible. There might be only 2 really scientifically correct statements in all those ~ 50 000 verses that were supposed to be the word of the wt god, supposedly inspired or proofread by him.
Somebody should paint a sequel of Asterix and Obelix about the Question "Jehovah is invisible present".
Or we could listen to Friedrich Gottlieb Klopstocks "Die Allgegenwart Gottes" - "The Omnipresence of God"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkT2NwJ0eiw
Wenige nur, ach, wenige sind,
Deren Aug in der Schöpfung
Den, der geschaffen har, sieht!
Wenige, deren Ohr
In dem mächtigen Rauschen des Sturmwinds,
Im Donner, der rollt,
Oder im lispelnden Bache,
Den Unerschaffnen hört!
Wenige Herzen erfüllt
Mit Ehrfurcht und Schauer
Gottes Allgegenwart.
Lass mich, im Heiligtume,
Dich, Allgegenwärtiger!
Stets suchen, und finden!
Und wenn er mir entflieht,
dieser himmlische Gedanke,
lass mich ihn tiefanbetend
Aus den Chören der Seraphim
Ihn mit lauten Tränen der freude
Herunter rufen,
Damit ich, dich zu schaun,
Mich bereite, mich weihe,
Dich zu schaun!
Im Allerheiligsten!
Scripture asks "who is greater the Potter or the clay?"
You vehemently argue that life on Earth had an intelligent designer,
What is the origin of the "designer" who by the above scripture is greater than His creation,
By your own reasoning there is compelling evidence that Someone in fact made God!
Heinrich Heine "Belsazar" about jehovahs "mene Tekel"
TWoY: "--Mit tiefer Ehrfurcht schau ich die Schöpfung an,
Denn Du!
Namenloser, Du!
Schufest sie!
Here the 16st century poet calls the creator "nameless"
"--Hört ihr Jehova's Donner?
here Jehovah is identified with the lesser deity THOR the hammer throwing thunder god of the nordics. This is all poetic nonsense, just like much of the bible.
If the bible is the word of god, he would never have allowed Gen1:1 to be written, to be proven wrong . to be thereby proven to be a non Jehovah bible god.
The errors in the bible are proof that the bible god does not exist.
Another german poet who mentions "jehova"
Da war der Fucks, ein blinder Heid'
Und persönlicher Feind des Jehova,
Glaubt nur an Hegel und etwa noch
An die Venus des Canova.
...
Der Edle hatte ausgehaucht
Die große Seele soeben,
Und wird als verklärter Seraph jetzt
Am Throne Jehovas schweben.
Wintermärchen by Heinrich Heine
From "spoken german lyrics" + search for appearances of "jehova"
http://www.deutschelyrik.de/index.php/suche.html?keywords=jehova
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If God is real "he" "she" is "present" "omnipresent", okaaay.
The poet speaks of the omnipresence of god in the most holy and says that you and me can be there in the most holy and that this is a matter of awareness. This seems to be a typcial "christianty"-idea, a pagan idea for JW of course.
I like that idea much more than the distortet worldview of Jehovahs witnesses that since 1914 we have an "invisible presence of God or jesus" after his already happened "coming" as king of the kingdom and waiting for the ultimate "coming at armageddon or whatever".
I wish you a beautiful Advent-time, a tradition that is 500% more beautiful than the distortet gospel of watchtower.
Just read this by TerryWalstrom?
The bible is a book of hope, memories and sages of hebrews and jews and it doesnt proove the existence of God. It doesnt give the answer "Why", but it only asks why the evil exists. Jesus on the cross asked the father "Why"?when he cited the psalm.
My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?
Why so far from my call for help,
from my cries of anguish?a NABRE
Christians did not really understand why all that happend, why this wonderful man jesus was killed. Now he was a cursed.
But as they have known what Jesus preached and knew his mercy and how he loved his folks they "feeled" that he was near to god, like in gods presence, and so they began to preach that love would overcome lately the evils of the world.
The message of Jesus, concentration on the presence of god, what is namely meant with the "kingdom", and "heaven", becoming praying people was always more important than answers. If one prays, acts in mercy and love and rightousness than the "heaven" and the "kingdom" is already present, has already come to you.
Thats my adventstory for you.
