by somebodylovesme 150 Replies latest watchtower scandals
Island Boy,
There is a lot of information, both here and at freeminds.org, on this scandal, including links to the original UK Guardian newspaper article. The Society really incriminated itself by withdrawing, as noted, within hours or days of the article coming out.
Just use the search functionality here or at freeminds, or at Google, for that matter. I'm sure you'll find plenty of info.
SNG
Unless you are ready for your 'eyes' to be opened you won't.. I vaguely heard about the UN deal when I was in, but figured if it was true, there must be some reason for it. When you are in the "JW" mentality, you have blinders on even if it is in front of your face..
WHO CAN READ THAT DRIVEL?
I read 2 comments, and nearly puked. They sound so hopeful and lost at the same time...
Kinda makes me want to go back, LOL!
This is too funny. Was I ever that stupid? I've just tried opening an account on WW, but that part of the site seems to be down. Please keep us updated on the issues discussed there, as it gives us an understanding on how the Dubs react when dealing with apostate truths. That way we can fine-tune our arguments and counter arguments.
Can someone please post to them the direct contacts to the UN Dept. of Public Info:
Lyutha Al-Mughairy
United Nations - Chief Public Liason Service
Dept. of Public Info
Phone: 1(212) 969-1234 Fax: 1(212) 963-4079
Paul Hoeffel
Chief, NGO Section
Department of Public Information
Room S-1070L
United Nations, New York, N.Y. 10017
Fax (212)963-6914
Phone (212) 963-8070 or (212) 963-6842
I'm lovin' this!! The Society has created themselves a disease that is slowly spreading throughout their membership.
Gerard: It wouldn't make much of a difference. The UN is a satanic organization. They're not above lying about Jehovah's people!!!
More good stuff:
| endver | Posted: Jan 15 2004, 06:54 PM   |
I might like this Group: Members Posts: 20 Member No.: 224 Joined: 19-November 03  | Bruce, No problem. These situations can be awkward. I think you should return to that person. Discuss with them your findings. The truth of the situation is what is important - if you don't go back, you are letting things lay as they are. But if you talk with them about your findings, then the truth can come out. truth and Truth.  ahh I'm tired. -E |
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| Savita | Posted: Jan 16 2004, 03:28 AM |
| I might like this Group: Members Posts: 35 Member No.: 114 Joined: 3-September 03 | This topic has been used by apostates along with the coca cola issue to undermind and cause doubts in the organization. Notice what they chose to drag up has nothing to do with scripture or understanding of doctrine, they have to search for reasons to prove the organization is made up of imperfect men who may have made an error in judgment. As individuals with responsibilities to make choices sometimes we may not make the correct choice. Kind of makes me recall Peter and his decision when it came to circumcision. Was he embarrased by his decision when he had to rethink it and make a chance, I am sure he was. Did the organization celebrate birthdays and Christmas previously, of course, and you could find articles in print, but once they came to understand the background of these holidays they changed. We are going to have our faith tested by a lot more than a letter as we get deeper into the time of the end. |
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| shelby | Posted: Jan 16 2004, 04:06 AM | ||
| I am home Group: Members Posts: 82 Member No.: 198 Joined: 30-October 03 |
opposers fabricate enough far-fetched rumors about us, but as it happens they hit the jackpot with this one...and it does/did look bad that this alliance went on for so many years and had to be publicly exposed before it was broken. this is an error in judgment equivalent to one of our brothers or sisters joining the military reserves to avail themselves of the educational benefits. i would not attempt to explain "why?" i have no satisfactory answers other than there is tangible evidence that it happened. what does it prove other than that "the society" is not infallible. that's something most of us have already accepted long ago...only Jehovah doesn't make mistakes or errors in judgment. i well remember the discussions this sparked, and i was reluctant to believe it myself. still, occasionally i see folks post that no one but an apostate would ever bring this up. not acceptable behavior. "apostate" has an exact meaning and shouldn't be bandied about and used against our brothers and sisters who find this disturbing and find that the explanation brings up more questions than it answers. | ||
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| Savita | Posted: Jan 16 2004, 05:10 AM | ||||
| I might like this Group: Members Posts: 35 Member No.: 114 Joined: 3-September 03 |
Speaking of apostates
Did Moses, Peter and many others make error in judgement. Of course they did. this is just another example of apostates using whatever they can find to destroy confidence and faith. And once they have done that, where do they direct individuals? No where! Just back to the mire they were in before they knew the truth. As Peter himself replied to Jesus, Where are we to go, you are the one with saying of everlasting life. | ||||
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| brucejw | Posted: Jan 16 2004, 06:39 AM  | ||
| I might like this Group: Members Posts: 13 Member No.: 308 Joined: 3-January 04 |
We shouldn't let this damage our faith though. Mistakes have been made in the past too. I am just glad that I'm more aware of what happened so that I know how to explain it to someone at the door (if they ask) instead of just standing there with a dumbfounded look on my face or instantly blurting "It's a lie!" | ||
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LOL... this is too funny watching them go back and forth. They have no idea how to disagree with each other. They are so used to just following what they are told.
The simple fact that they are disagreeing is obviously disturbing to other JWs too. They are just not used to seeing independent thought... and it scares them.
Poor Savita... she sounds like a robot.
