This is exactly why the WTS doesn't want these "witness" sites out there. Even in their little isolated corner of the web, the truth about the WTS and its misdealings is being made known and this has to be scaring the WTS. That's why they are on the current witch hunt against "apostates".
The dubs at "Witness World" are discussing UN involvement!!!!!
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With the onset of the Internet, we now live in the era of communications big time!
The WTBTS cannot hide anything anymore. THEY'RE GOING DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's sad when people are afraid to talk about anything bad or any problems with something they are involved.
So long as they keep brushing problems under the rug, the problems will persist.
It's like that urban legend of the carpet layer who hammered down a lump in the carpet to finish the job quickly... only to be forced to pull the carpet up later to remove the rotting rat making the house reek.
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Savita Posted: Jan 16 2004, 03:28 AM I might like this
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Joined: 3-September 03This topic has been used by apostates along with the coca cola issue to undermind and cause doubts in the organization. Notice what they chose to drag up has nothing to do with scripture or understanding of doctrine, they have to search for reasons to prove the organization is made up of imperfect men who may have made an error in judgment. As individuals with responsibilities to make choices sometimes we may not make the correct choice. Kind of makes me recall Peter and his decision when it came to circumcision. Was he embarrased by his decision when he had to rethink it and make a chance, I am sure he was.
Did the organization celebrate birthdays and Christmas previously, of course, and you could find articles in print, but once they came to understand the background of these holidays they changed. We are going to have our faith tested by a lot more than a letter as we get deeper into the time of the end. shelby Posted: Jan 16 2004, 04:06 AM I am home
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in all fairness to our brothers and sisters who were/are confused about this issue, (not to mention those who are onlookers) yes this is about doctrine and scripture. for years, the society has identified the u.n. as the "image of the beast" in revelation. to sign the agreement was to form an alliance with the image of the beast, according to the wording of the agreement. did the society's representative sign on the dotted line without reading the agreement...or running it by the legal department?QUOTE (Savita @ Jan 16 2004, 06:28 AM) Notice what they chose to drag up has nothing to do with scripture or understanding of doctrine, they have to search for reasons to prove the organization is made up of imperfect men who may have made an error in judgment.
opposers fabricate enough far-fetched rumors about us, but as it happens they hit the jackpot with this one...and it does/did look bad that this alliance went on for so many years and had to be publicly exposed before it was broken. this is an error in judgment equivalent to one of our brothers or sisters joining the military reserves to avail themselves of the educational benefits.
i would not attempt to explain "why?" i have no satisfactory answers other than there is tangible evidence that it happened. what does it prove other than that "the society" is not infallible. that's something most of us have already accepted long ago...only Jehovah doesn't make mistakes or errors in judgment.
i well remember the discussions this sparked, and i was reluctant to believe it myself. still, occasionally i see folks post that no one but an apostate would ever bring this up. not acceptable behavior. "apostate" has an exact meaning and shouldn't be bandied about and used against our brothers and sisters who find this disturbing and find that the explanation brings up more questions than it answers. Savita Posted: Jan 16 2004, 05:10 AM I might like this
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I disagree! This is not about doctrine and scripture. This is about an individual with the authority to pursue avenues of research and signed up. This is not about the Watchtower Society joining the UN, but about having to accept responsibility for the error in judgement of one of its representatives and doing so.QUOTE yes this is about doctrine and scripture.
Speaking of apostates
Some jackpot! After all their efforts to dig up dirt on the organization and this is their jackpot.QUOTE as it happens they hit the jackpot with this one
Did Moses, Peter and many others make error in judgement. Of course they did. this is just another example of apostates using whatever they can find to destroy confidence and faith. And once they have done that, where do they direct individuals? No where! Just back to the mire they were in before they knew the truth.
As Peter himself replied to Jesus, Where are we to go, you are the one with saying of everlasting life. brucejw Posted: Jan 16 2004, 06:39 AM I might like this
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I'm sorry Savita but I have to agree with Shelby on this one. It is about doctrine and scripture. We have a scriptural obligation not to get involved with the UN. Yet that is what happened.QUOTE I disagree! This is not about doctrine and scripture.
We shouldn't let this damage our faith though. Mistakes have been made in the past too. I am just glad that I'm more aware of what happened so that I know how to explain it to someone at the door (if they ask) instead of just standing there with a dumbfounded look on my face or instantly blurting "It's a lie!" endver Posted: Jan 16 2004, 07:20 AM I might like this
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Joined: 19-November 03The only reason apostates can use this as a "weapon" is because most of us don't know about the situation or have the correct facts. I don't know how often this comes up - but I wonder why the Society didn't publish how we should respond and provide the facts for us. That would eliminate situations like Bruce's and like the one I had two years ago.
Whether one thinks it's about doctrine or not, it will be used to "punch holes" in our doctrine. We should be prepared to explain this to any who question our intentions. I have explained to my family and closest friends what I've learned with the knowledge of one of our elders, and they were grateful to be prepared should the question ever come up. Savita Posted: Jan 16 2004, 07:27 AM I might like this
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Joined: 3-September 03brucejw Let me ask you, in the first century was Peter an apostle with authority in the congregations to make decisions? Did he represent the governing body in Jerusalem when it came to circumcision.? And when it was all said and done did the governing body have to straighten out the situation by sending letters to the congregations on the matter.
I have seen before the tactics of apostates infiltering a board and posting this kind of thing to cause doubts and questions about the organization. My purpose in joining a board is to make friends and enjoy an interchange of encouragement not to have to defend whether or not the organization is stepping over the line when it comes to doctrine.
I have nothing more to say on the subject. endver Posted: Jan 16 2004, 07:46 AM I might like this
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Joined: 19-November 03Savita ~
I don't think (at least I hope not!) that that's what was going on here... I certainly hope not, because I didn't mean to take part in anything that would cause anyone DOUBTS!
I believe Bruce's sincere confusion, because I felt confused at one point. But with support, guidance, and the facts, there is no reason to feel any doubts!
I guess I'm writing this because I feel bad that this has made your experience here at all uncomfortable. I am here for the friendship and conversation. I guess part of that is supporting those among us who have questions or are confused about anything.
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Do you get the feeling there are a few people in this discussion who are imposters?
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It's amazing how quick they are to brand anything that depicts their book publishing company in a negative light as "apostate"
Thanks for posting this!
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... (I should really learn to consolidate my thoughts) -- How sad that Savita can't be bothered to talk about that topic anymore because she's looking for friendship, not critical thinking. siiiigh.
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but I wonder why the Society didn't publish how we should respond and provide the facts for us.
Uh oh. Someone's thinking! BAD! BAD! BAD!
I love how they all have different views and opinions on this subject. Usually it's an instant preprogrammed default answer for stuff like this, "Pray to Jehovah and he will give you the answer".
Elsewhere is correct about the WTS not wanting official JW message boards. They have difficulty justifying their reasons because "We are a worldwide brotherhood" and "We have the Truth".
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As an ousider I must say that their circular thinking is depressing. They are birds without wings!
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Tsunami Posted: Jan 16 2004, 08:09 AM
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Joined: 16-August 03My take on this (IMHO) was the Society needed info from their (UN)library. When trying to gain access to that info they were told they had to do option A join as an NGO. But wasnt told of option B for whatever reason. When option B was revealed to them they rectified the situation.
This doesnt put any doubts into my mind personally because I know that the Society is not infallable and people do make mistakes. This info is news to me but now that I know like Endver knowing this info now can help us combat those who want to attack us. We know now the Society may have made an error in judgement but fixed it as soon as they found a better way. Case closed to me. Polly Pan Posted: Jan 16 2004, 08:16 AM
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Joined: 20-November 03Sometimes we can get way too hung up on the protocol of things. The scriptures clearly indicate that we are no part of the world, but we still recognize that we need to be part of the world..... how's that for an oxymoron. What I mean to say is that many of us are part of certain organizations, etc. for many different reasons.... I personally have my blood type registered with the Canadian Red Cross, but have never, would never give blood. I'm also on the voters list yet have never ever voted. I've also used the LDS for their expansive geneology records.The society chose to make a judgement call 13 years ago to join an organization. Whether we agree with it or not, we still should not settle for mere speculation as to the circumstances of their membership.
In the decade plus that's past the Faithful & Discreet Slave have made the way even brighter for us, i.e. clarification on doctrinal points, changes in meeting formats, pioneer hours, etc. They are always seeing things more clearly as per Jehovah. Whether we have the whole picture or partial picture of what's going on, trusting that they did such with good intentions should be enough. Don't get wrapped up in looking for something that isn't there brothers & sisters.... Satan is watching and most likely having a good chuckle over a decade old problem that's risen it's ugly head again.
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"Serenity is not freedom from the storm, but peace amid the storm." brucejw Posted: Jan 16 2004, 08:21 AM I might like this
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Um, isn't that EXACTLY what we should do? Be able to make a defense for our beliefs? That includes defending the actions of the Society!QUOTE (Savita @ Jan 16 2004, 07:27 AM) My purpose in joining a board is to make friends and enjoy an interchange of encouragement not to have to defend whether or not the organization is stepping over the line when it comes to doctrine.
Sorry that this has made you uncomfortable, but I'm glad that endver and some others have been able to discuss this a bit. I feel much better about how to handle this if it were to come up again.
