alsief:
I will never understand why people suggest that to legalize gay marriage will open the doors for legalized incest, polygamy, and child marriage...because unless these relationships are specifically homosexual, they have more to do with heterosexual marriage than homosexual marriage. As a matter of fact, when these types of marriages have been practiced in history, it has been heterosexuals who have practiced them, not homosexuals. I don't see the connection except in the minds of alarmist homophobes.
Shamus,
I am sorry for the frustration you are going thru. I am still new here and am 'feeling' my way around and reading and listening. I will never understand HOW, with all the great people that are here and all the help that's been given to me freely and lovingly...there are STILL those few that will attack -- relentlessly, no matter the hurt they cause.
It seems they think the world should revolve or stop completely according to their own values.
THAT MAKES ME SICK ! WE'RE JUST NOW TRYING TO COME OUT OF THAT JW' ISM WORLD OF "OUR WAY OR THE HI-WAY!"
Here are some definitions I think are appropriate in this discussion
invective \in-VEK-tiv\, noun:
1. An abusive expression or speech; a vehement verbal attack.
2. Insulting or abusive language.
adjective:
Of, relating to, or characterized by insult, abuse, or denunciatory language.
But one can also note that he chose a fitting image for himself, going out in a duel of honor, armed all over with spikes of witty invective and a specialised knowledge of insult.
--Adrian Frazier, George Moore, 1852-1933
They all seemed to be in their usual mood of precarious good humour which could splinter at any moment into invective and menacing gesture.
--Alice Thomas Ellis, Pillars of Gold
One evening John Mitchell, slightly in his cups, let loose at Whalen with a mess of invective about writers, their inflated notion of their importance to political campaigns, and the need to keep them in their place.
--Leonard Garment, In Search of Deep Throat
Political satire at the expense of governments or institutions is one thing. Personal invective is another.
--Victoria Glendinning, Jonathan Swift: A Portrait
Invective comes from Late Latin invectivus, "reproachful, abusive," from Latin invectus, past participle of invehi, "to inveigh against."
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in·cest ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nsst)
n.
Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom.
The statutory crime of sexual relations with such a near relative.
[Middle English, from Latin incestum, from neuter of incestus, impure, unchaste : in-, not; see in-1 + castus, pure, chaste; see kes- in Indo-European Roots.]
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ho·mo·sex·u·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hm-sksh-l, -m-)
adj.
Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
n. Usage Problem
A homosexual person; a gay man or a lesbian.
Usage Note: Many people now avoid using homosexual because of the emphasis this term places on sexuality. Indeed, the words gay and lesbian, which stress cultural and social matters over sex, are frequently better choices. Homosexual is most objectionable when used as a noun; here gay man and gay woman or lesbian and their plural forms are called for. It is generally unobjectionable when used adjectivally, as in a homosexual relationship, although gay, lesbian, or same-sex are also available for adjectival use. See Usage Note at gay.
** My example sentences: **
But one can also note that he, Yerusalem chooses a fitting image for himself, going out in a duel of honor, armed all over with spikes of witty invective and a specialised knowledge of insult, he could splinter at any moment into invective and menacing gestures and the need to keep them in their places.
*** My example definitions: Yeru = homophobe. **
If you can ignore standard dictionary definitions and make up your own, so can I, so can everyone.
Yeru, there is nothing wrong with having your own opinion. It seems to me however, that all you really enjoy is being mean and narrow-minded...when it comes to hurting others feelings. You don't stop...you remind me of your own chaotic mob -- swaying to your own chants, as you continue to kick the living shit out of the guy on the ground. You see it, you hear it, you don't feel it...you like it and you won't stop.
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**** My Opinions ****
Have changed a lot from my JW days, if gays, straights, bi's, transexuals, hermaphrodites...whoever... wants to 'marry', form civil unions, shack-up, one-night-stands, stay celibate, make-love-not-war...I think they should be able to to that. There will be struggles, court battles, political intrigue, back-biting and stabbing, too. That seems to be a part of our 'nature' it's also the slow way that humans make their own tracks in the sand, otherwise there is chaos. This necessarily means that many people will never see their true rights in their lifetime (I know I won't...). The only way to get from 'here' to 'there' is thru discussion first. Most people -- if they were TRULY able to give their real opinions, without regard to being censured and ostrasized by RELIGION and POLITICS would glady bestow the rights we've been talking about to everyone.
AS LONG AS THOSE RIGHTS WERE NOT HARMFUL TO OTHERS !