Why is the religious right in bed with Israel?

by Simon 52 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Simon
    Simon

    It always seems strange to me that the Religious Right in America and elsewhere is so 'in bed' with Israel.

    If you look at the history and beliefs, surely Christianity has more in common with Muslims who believe in Christ (as a prophet) then in Judaism which was the very religion that Christ was rejecting and was killed by!

    Surely for Christians, the jews were "the bad guys" having rejected the messiah and forfeiting their position as gods chosen people?

    So why the support? Is it all politics and high-up jewish influence and nothing to do with the religious aspect?

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    These stats are from the Pew Institute;

    • 44% of Americans believe god gave Israel to the Jews
    • 36% of Americans believe that the modern state of Israel is a fulfilment of the Biblical Prophecies relating to the 2nd coming

    On a statistical basis, the religiosity of some American's beliefs makes them indistinguishable from people in countries such as Nigeria or Pakistan.

    • 48% believe their country has special protection from god.
    • 86% believe in miracles
    • 89% in heaven
    • 73% in hell and the devil

    So, the religious right in the USA are in bed with Israel because they are a bunch of fanatical nut-jobs.

    Simple really...

  • NewSense
    NewSense

    Simon:

    The issue that you bring up has always seemed quite paradoxical to me also. One thing that must be taken into account is that there is a quite an overlap between the "neo-cons" (the neo-conservatives) and the so-called "theo-cons" (the theological conservatives). Of course, this overlap is not total, but for the most part these evangelical, born-again Christian assholes (I believe in England, people woulds say "those bl**** bible-thumping c***s") are for, the most part, politically conservative. As I said, not all are; and there are political conservatives who are by no means evangelical Christians. Just the same, there is a certain correlation between the two groups. Regarding the fundamentalist/evangelical ignoramuses, many subscribe to a bizarre, apocalyptic idea. They think that before the so-called called "rapture" can occur, certain evemts must occur and play themselves out. These events include the gathering in Israel of the world's jewish population. And then,at some God-ordained time, all these Jews will be given the grand opportunity and honor of converting to Christianity, an event to be followed by the GREAT SHIT STORM. This said event vaguely corresponds, I suppose, to the Witnesses' notion of Armageddon, as f***** up paranoid fantasies go.I think that, for the most part, most evangelical Christians have nothing but contempt for Jews, and most likely the reverse is also true. I feel that, in the minds of these Chrisitan imposters and morons, they view the state of Israel is being some sort of thing to be tolerated in that it is necessary somehow for "God's plan" to be carried out. Israel is the requisite world's repository of world Jewry which will absolutely expected to convert to Christianity just before the end of the world. Born again Christians have absolutely no respect or sense of tolerance for Judaism in of itself, and their lack of respect and tolerance extends to all other religions. They are ignorant, insufferable and loathsome in their dogmatic intolerance. Their paranoid fantasy regarding the state of Israel is absurd to the point of insanity, but as Nietzsche said humanity has inherited both the wisdom and the insanity of a thousand generations.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    As i passed through a christian phase, i was exposed to the doctrine that all israel must be gathered together in israel before jesus can come. When he comes, he orbits the earth as a light so bright that the sun is outdone. Then jesus lands on the mount of olives, splitting it. The resulting valley allows the jews to escape from an attack, and they also are all converted, each one of them.

    What happens next isn't clear to me, but the rapture and deliverence of christians follows the above. Included in that doctrine, is that no govt in the world is to interfere w israeli affairs, or they will suffer at the hands of god. I had a friend, xjw, who used to post on h2o, who, from his lifelong bible studies believes something like the above, and that every single palestinian should be killed by israelis, kids, women, whatever. This is all scriptural doctrine, mainly ot. It is the doctrine believed by falwell, robertson and their ilk.

    SS

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere
    It always seems strange to me that the Religious Right in America and elsewhere is so 'in bed' with Israel.

    False accusations and SLANDER!!! I am NOT in bed with Israel.

  • Sirius Dogma
    Sirius Dogma
    On a statistical basis, the religiosity of some American's beliefs makes them indistinguishable from people in countries such as Nigeria or Pakistan.
    So, the religious right in the USA are in bed with Israel because they are a bunch of fanatical nut-jobs.

    I agree and think we should ship those in the religious right to live with their brethren in Nigeria and Pakistan.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Several Christian religions believe that the prophecies in the Bible regarding the end-times will be fulfilled on literal Israel and Christ will rule from there. I found this article sums up some of the major developments over the last 150 years.

    Evangelicals and Israel: Theological Roots of a Political Alliance

    by Donald Wagner

    http://www.religion-online.org/cgi-bin/relsearchd.dll/showarticle?item_id=216

    Blondie

    PS up until 1932 the WTS too felt the restoration prophecies would be fulfilled on literal Israel...see "Comfort for the Jews" published in 1925 by the WTS.

  • FirstInLine
    FirstInLine

    I don't see what is so shady about having strong relations with Israel. The term "in bed with" has negative connotations. Israel is the only reliable and consistenly friendly western style democracy in the middle east. I take it as a sign of anti-religious bigotry that our association be considered unhealthy. Israel has the most hostile neighboors out of anyone on earth. Neighboors that are not all that happy with our system of government, economics or relations with Israel. The Islamic countries surrounding her absolutely hate Israel and the Jews. Only their total annihilation will satisfy them. They are only slightly more tolerant of the Christians in the area which is not the case with Israel.

    A better subject to bring up would be the collaberation the German government made with the Terrorists at the 1972 Olypics.

  • FirstInLine
    FirstInLine
    If you look at the history and beliefs, surely Christianity has more in common with Muslims who believe in Christ (as a prophet) then in Judaism which was the very religion that Christ was rejecting and was killed by!

    I guess that proves the ties are not religious then eh?

  • Simon
    Simon
    Israel is the only reliable and consistenly friendly western style democracy in the middle east

    Well, before Israel was setup we seemed to have a lot more friends in the area. So, did setting Israel up make things better or worse?

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