Who Is God? (page 4)

OHappyDay

Nice post hooberus, but we Arians do not have to resort to mumbo-jumbo and contortions of language to explain our belief.

Kenneson

Mustang,

I'm truly sorry for what happened to your ancestors and others because of the Inquisition. I know nothing I say can make a real difference, but I thought I would say it anyway. Peace and good to you.

mustang

Peace, Kenneson,

On the positive side, I am enjoying being born here (the USA), as opposed to France.

BTW, I have business dealings with the French and we get along well enough. I have discussed this with a few of them because my name (which has been "Americanized") has French roots. The typical remark is a very candid "Oh, yes, that was a bad time to be a Protestant". They all seem to be aware of this history and are very "matter-of-fact" about it.

I have yet to receive an apology [except from you , thanks], but I haven't been looking for one, either.

If the Jewish people can have their museum of the holocaust, then I feel I should say a few things for those of us who also had a holocaust. We haven't whined about it anywhere near to the extent that they have. I understand the old family "church" is making a comeback in South Africa.

I also feel that anytime the tRINITY subject comes up, that I should bring up the dark and sordid history of the tRINITY and its sponsors. I believe that this history is just as important as the scriptures.

Also, I believe in God, who is called the Father; I recognize Jesus, who is his Son and became the Ransom; and the Holy Spirit (who seems to be of a different and non-personal/non-corporeal effect than the others, and who seems to be used as a subservient effect by them). But I deny the tRINITY or the need for it.

That said, (the previous paragraph), I realize that 1000 years ago, I would have to draw my sword and stand, be tied to the stake without a fight or make a run for it.

Mustang

Kenneson

Mustang,

Interesting that you have a French connection. On my mother's side I am of Acadian French descent and on my father's side English. The Acadians were expelled from Acadie (Nova Scotia) by the English in 1755 because they were Catholic, their church was burnt and their lands taken from them. Dispersed, some settled in the colonies along the seaboard and became indentured servants, some made their way to Santo Domingo and finally Louisiana, beginning in 1764. The Spanish who controlled Louisiana at the time sent them away from New Orleans to colonize certain areas. The Acadian Boutins founded a town called Grand Coteau (big ridge) in St. Landry Parish (County). Settling in the same Parish, the English Kennesons (but not from Nova Scotia) were soon absorbed into the Acadian or Cajun culture. By the time my grandfather came on the scene, he spoke only Cajun; my father mainly Cajun (he learned a few English words and phrases from the grandchildren) and my mother tongue is Cajun (I learned English in school). The Kennesons are also Catholic, and I suspect that comes from the Cajun influence as well. Knowing my background, how could I possible hate the English or the French, the Protestants or the Catholics?

mustang

Our family were Hugenots.

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/8140/hist-hug.htm

They ended up in the coastal southern colonies by 1750, some directly & some by way of England & New England. Family tradition has it that we stood up & fought, but were allowed to go into exile by royal intervention. I wasn't kidding about drawing my sword. I understand that there is only one Hugenot Church left in the USA. By todays standards, this is an uncommon lot.

Mustang

LittleToe

Mustang:
History must never be forgotten (Lest we forget), nor the lessons learned, however it should never be used as a stick to beat people with, either.

Trinitarian's were on both sides of the inquisition, hence it was not specifically that doctrine that bears the bloodguilt. I believe that you are being disingenuous to make such a statement.
Those were times of bloodshed regarding ANY difference of opinion, hence were hardly "Trinity" specific.
The problem was inhumanity, not doctrine.

If you're going to be consistent you'd have to decry any bloodshed committed by Unitarians and Binitarians, too.

Before you think that I'm supporting such bloodshed, please be aware that I am from Scotland, where we have seen more than a few battles over Religio-political causes (such as the Reformation, the rise of the Covenanters, and the Jacobite rebellion).
Whilst I deplore such taking of life, I believe we can (and should) learn the lessons, thereof.

I'm intrigued by your following statement:

the Holy Spirit (who seems to be of a different and non-personal/non-corporeal effect than the others, and who seems to be used as a subservient effect by them).

Would that be an experiential position, or a theological one?

I notice you use the word "who" instead of "which", yet the comments that follow seem to center around the Holy Spirit being "an effect".
I wonder where you get that from, as I've never heard of the Holy Spirit being described in such terms.

Justify themselves regard what???

Anything they please...it never ceases to amaze me.

BTW: LT you are not really a believer - you are too smart.

funkyderek

Before you think that I'm supporting such bloodshed, please be aware that I am from Scotland, where we have seen more than a few battles over Religio-political causes (such as the Reformation, the rise of the Covenanters, and the Jacobite rebellion).

Not to mention Celtic v Rangers

Who Is God?

OHappyDay

Kenneson

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Kenneson

mustang

LittleToe

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