scholar and 1914

Marvin Shilmer

Hello, Scholar

Can you name a single thing of significance that the Watchtower Society or Charles Russell taught about 1914 prior to 1914 that was accurate? Will you?

Marvin Shilmer

Well I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think they believed that 1914 would come AFTER 1913. No one else knew that because Satan had blinded everyone else's minds. Only Charles Russell predicted this sequence of events. Obviously he was guided by the Holy Spirit, and it was only discernable by him.

OHappyDay

Scholar will find something. All "loyal" JWs must hold on to and defend 1914 as long as the Society does. Otherwise, by definition they become "disloyal"

No matter how thin the thread of "proof," scholar will find something.....

Mary

Actually, it matters little whether Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE or 586/587 BCE, because neither date has ANYTHING to do with "The Appointed Times" that the WT promotes anyway. Luke chapter 21 is talking about the future destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE and the signs that would accompany it:

21: Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it....23: Alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! For great distress shall be upon the earth and wrath upon this people......24: they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

If you ask any Witness when verses 21 - first half of verse 24 happened, they'll tell you "in 70 CE", yet somehow, they get this bizarre notion that the later half of verse 24 didn't happen in 70 CE, but rather in 607 BCE. The dream that Nebuchadnezzar had about the "7 times" was clearly the 7 years he was insane, end of story and has absolutely nothing at all to do with "the appointed times". But oh no........the Society has to go and make all these intricate mumbo-jumbo theories that make absolutely NO sense whatsoever, and then pass it off as "truth".

Even so, the bible clearly shows that Christ's Second Coming would be a visible return:

Luke 21:27: And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:23: Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it.24: For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.......26: So, if they say to you, `Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, `Lo, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it....(showing again that you are not to believe anyone who says that Christ's Return would be something that people couldn't see) 27: For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man......(when lightening lights up the sky, I don't think anyone would argue that it happened "invisibly", you can see it happen with your literal eyes) 30: then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory;

Mark13:21 "...And then if any one says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!' or `Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22: False Christs and false prophets will arise and show signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect...."(in other words, if anyone tries to give you a "sign" that Jesus has somehow returned where noone could see him, don't believe them. They're a false prophet.) 26: And then they will see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory.

Acts 1:9 "..And when he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.....10: And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11: and said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven." (While the Society tries saying that a cloud means "invisibility" and thereby showing Jesus' Return would be invisible, common sense shows otherwise. The disciples saw him leave the earth with their literal eyes--not with their "figurative eye". This is nicely ignored by the Society as it would then call into question the entire 1914/Invisible Presense and we can't have that.)

There is absolutely nothing in the bible that suggests an invisible return. And even if it did, the Society didn't catch it. In 1914, they believed that Jesus had already returned invisibly in 1874, so how did they "see with the eye of understanding"??

The whole thing is a frigging farse.

amac

Did anyone go to or read the Watchtower that was covered this last Sunday? They pointed out how the WT was looking forward to the year 1914 as the end of the appointed times. They did point out that many were dissappointed in not going to heaven that year, but only after they praised themselves for being "correct" about 1914. It's such a cover up.

The other thing I don't understand is that the preaching work came to a near stand still from 1914 to 1918. If this is supposedly when Jesus returned to identify those who were faithful and discreet, what was it that set the JWs apart from others? Especially if they weren't spearheading their beloved door to door work?

shamus

I think that I chased 'scholar' off, LOL! Don't hold your breath... there were some "questions:" in regard to his scholarly abilities and degrees, LOL!

Shamus... b.a. in bullshit.

El blanko

The other thing I don't understand is that the preaching work came to a near stand still from 1914 to 1918. If this is supposedly when Jesus returned to identify those who were faithful and discreet, what was it that set the JWs apart from others? Especially if they weren't spearheading their beloved door to door work?

Raymond Franz has a lot to say about this in Christian Freedom, which is worth a read if you haven't read it already.

Mary

preaching work came to a near stand still from 1914 to 1918. If this is supposedly when Jesus returned to identify those who were faithful and discreet, what was it that set the JWs apart from others?

Amac, if memory serves, the period from 1914 - 1918 is supposedly the 3 1/2 year period of "inactivity" described in Revelation, during which time, the bros had their sorry asses flung into prison. Apparently they had pissed Jehovah off for something......probably for selling Miracle Wheat on the black market and He allowed this to happen. But then, Jehovah got pissed off with the Warden of the prison or someone else for the sorry state of "the Feckless & Indiscreet Stunned Class" and so He let em loose. As compensation, He ordered Jesus to pick a group of people to become ~~The Apprentice~~ the above mentioned group. Jesus must've saw that the pickin's were pretty slim, so He chose these dough-heads, probably as a cosmic joke.

I'm just waiting for the day when the GB hears the words: You're Fired.

scholar

Marvin Shilmer

End of the Gentile Times.

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TD

End of the Gentile Times.

At this point, that claim is rather like being presented with an axe and being told that it belonged to George Washington.

You remark that the axe looks far too new for that and only then does the presenter reluctantly admit that both the handle and the head have been replaced at some point over the years.

Not only is the label "George Washington's Axe" therby rendered little more than a hollow shell, the honesty of the presenter is compromised as well.

The value of any label lies not in the label itself, but in what it means. JW's today assign a different meaning to the term "Gentile Times" than did CT Russell.

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