Do you believe in God or Jesus ???

by run dont walk 54 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Bostero

  2Pe 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
  Again I want to say that just because the JW have given people a distorted view about God doesn't mean that they are right. They have twisted and distorted scripture and have given loads of nasty coverups everytime they screw or screwed up. The true God of the Bible and the world is not the same the JW teach. Remember, everytime a JW comes up with a doctinal law, he doesn't get it from the bible. There are governing body members who sit at a table and vote on issues to tell wether it is a sin or not. (read Crisis of onscience by Raymond Franz...former governing member and nephew of the late Fred Franz.) They use verses out of context to suit their choice on issues. So what I'm saying is don't blame good for a group spreading false rumors about Him. If someone spread false rumors about yourself, you would not want everyone to belive them based on what they are saying but you would want them to search out the truth to see if what they are claiming is eaither true or false. The same if some distorted the image of your mother and made her look different than what she really is like wether it be physical spiritual. you would want to prove that their rumors are wrong, and you would not want other people to believe what they say. They same is with God. Don't have a negative belief torwards Him just because sinful groups have told lies about Him and claim that it was coming directly from Him. Remember what John said: 1Jo 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

  Bostero
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  cameo

  Bostero,

  What you've said is very true. It is not God's fault that people have chosen the wrong path (the WTS path). There are many, many warnings in the Bible about false prophets and not to be deceived by them. The WTS is absolutely one these many modern-day false prophets.
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  digderidoo

  run dont walk

  Your question suggests that you have to believe in one or another.

  May be there is a god may be there isn't. But i certainly believe there was a man called Jesus who made a great impact about 2000 years ago. History would suggest this.

  Was he the son of God? I doubt it, but who am i to say.

  Yours Dig
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  Left_Field

  Belief is based on Faith. Acceptance.

  I find my biggest problem is not that I don't believe there is a God or that Jesus/God/Holy Spirit are the same or even that there simply is a creator to all things in the universe.

  My problem is submission. For me to totally go the whole way, for my personal belief, I have to put my whole life in His hands. Some may think that is easy, but it's easier said than done.

  I'm still struggling with that aspect of Faith.

  Nick
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  LittleToe

  Is not "submission" key to it all (regardless of belief system)?

  Otherwise your "ego" is your "Lord".
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  Celia

  I used to believe very strongly that there was a God and that Jesus as His envoy came to earth to save us.... Then I met the JWs and tried to understand them... I am afraid this research has destroyed almost any of my former beliefs.... How sad is that ?
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  LittleToe

  Celia:
  That reminds me of just how culpable the WTS is:

  Mat 23:13 "Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for YOU yourselves do not go in, neither do YOU permit those on their way in to go in. NWT
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  dh

  not really, no. to me god of the old testement is a bit of a twisted psycho, jesus is a token gesture. there's more to it than that, but no i don't really believe in them... 'believe in', meaning that i do not know if they really exist, and if they do, i do not have any faith in them doing what they say or that they are who they say they are or any of it.

  i do think there is something else going on, but i do not think any of the beings mentioned in the bible or any holy book are the almighty, if there is such a thing.
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  dh

  (sorry, i hit enter twice)
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  zen nudist

  I have come to believe that it is impossible for something to arise from nothing, which means that everything that is has always been and shall always be, it just changes form and relationships.... I find that any part of the whole claiming to be God independant of the whole is just insanity or fraud, not divinity...even if some parts have god-like abilities... after all if an alien species did come here and pretended to be god[s] in ancient times, who would be able to despute their higher technology and claim they were not gods?

  the fact that the bible god's followers call him their shepherd smacks of an unconscious understanding that they are being manipulated, fleeced and slaughtered for this being's benefit.

  I have come to see that the ultimate, the whole, the absolute reality of which we are all parts, can be viewed as GOD, or the Generator Of Diversity... but this did not give us life, it is what we are... there is no point in worshipping it as it is us all... and a better course would be mutual respect and acceptance as all are part of this one whole, we are all part of each other, to harm another is to harm oneself.... this is the mystical oneness that all ancient mystics seem to point to...and what I believe is meant by Paul when he says in HIM we live and move and have our being [Acts 17:28] and what the authors meant when they have Jesus saying he wants all his disciples to be ONE [realize the oneness] as he and his father [read source of being] are one. [john 17:11,21]