JWs get used as an "agency" at Resources Fair for inmates in Iowa

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  • galaxy7
    galaxy7

    A friend in need,

    thank you for your comment . do you really believe Jesus was only talking about the brothers?

    please explain the below scriptures.I read it as Jesus included all the poor.

    MT 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

    MT 26:9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.

    MK 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

    LK 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

    LK 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

    JN 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

    AL 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    In spite of what JWs may state Jesus provided for both spiritual and physical needs of people. He wasn't just one-sided as are JWs. And he didn't cater only to his inner circle of believers. He reached out to anyone in need. When the crowds were hungry he fed them physical food as well as teach them. See Matt. 14:14-21 When the wedding party needed wine, he turned water into wine. John 2:3-9

    Rom. 12:20 instructs us to feed and give drink to our enemies. Do you mean JWs have no enemies and this is not one of their requirements?

    Luke 10:29-37 The Parable of the Good Samaritan is proof that one is to help anyone in need (including providing lodging and financial assistance). JWs would do well to learn from this story. They might learn that their neigbor is not only their "brothers" and "sisters" in the faith.

  • a friend in need
    a friend in need

    galaxy7:

    In the scripture you are quoting about 'selling the oil and giving the money to the poor' is when a woman used very expensive oil on Jesus head and was questioned about such a waste. Jesus' reply was in verses 10, 11,12 and 13. In 13 Jesus says says 'Wherever this good news is preached in all the world, what this woman did shall also be told as a remembrance of her'. Verse 11 says' For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me'.

    Hope this clears this up to you.

    a f i n

  • a friend in need
    a friend in need

    Kenneson:

    While I appreciate your points about Jesus taking pity on the poor, his main concern was for their spiritual wellfare. We mainly talk about Jesus' ministry on earth, don't we? Not that he was put here to physically feed some.

    As in bible times, peoples spiritual needs far outweigh a temporary meal at a soup kitchen. As I said, it is good to feed the poor but not more important than helping them gain the hope of everlasting life.

    a f i n

  • Faraon
    Faraon

    Friend in need,

    What do David Koresh and Jim Jones have to do with JWs. Have any Witnesses ever killed en mass? I'm afraid I don't understand your point at all.

    Maybe not in mass murdering, but their vaccine, blood, transplant, medical, psychological, beating of children and shunning policies have resulted in more deaths and suicides than David Koresh and Jim Jones together.

    If the young witness decided to choose religious books over his health concerns, that is his business. Said nurse has no right publicising anything about any patient, especially to a newspaper. That alone would make me wonder about anything the nurse had to say.

    That is one of the reasons that I am glad that Moscow is banning the WTB$ from their midst. As Cesar, it must protect its citizens. There has to be something wrong with a religion that places more value in books than life itself. As for the nurse, she did nothing unethical. The person was unidentified by her, plus she helped people become aware of the dangers of belonging to a cult. By the way, where does that article mentions that the witness was young?

    And in reply the king will say to them, "Truly I say to you, To the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."

    The important words there is "my brothers". In other words Jesus' true followers. You are taking it to mean people in general.

    I love it when JWs show their character. To begin with, according to the WT, Jesus brothers are only the anointed. Second, it would not apply to the ?great crowd?s?, need to know the ?good news?.ç because they already have the ?good news?. Third, if they don?t even help their own preserve their own life, they are not preserving Jesus?s life.

    You have been deceived, my friend. Time to take your blinders off, and start reasoning.

    Are you serious? Of course sisters are included.

    You are again showing your blinders. Junction-Guy said

    To " a friend in need" So if you take that literally then jesus said to only help the brothers? what about the sisters?

    Which you completely ignored. He was trying to prove to you that you can not take everything literally.

    You are right. The bible tells us to 'love one another' and to help our neighbours. What is more loving than to pass on life-giving news?

    You hit it on the nail. JWs see their role in life as one of publishing for the WT. What is more important: to actually save lives, or to publish news?

    Jehovah's Witnesses DO help their neighbours in need as well. They just don't make a production of advertising it. In many countries where natural disasters strike, Witnesses are usually there first to help. They do help their own but others as well.

    Don?t you see the contradiction? The only way you know about this disaster relief is because the WT publicizes it. It is their only help, and they ?milk? it as much as possible. Where are their hospitals and food kitchens? When it comes to help their own, they leave it to individuals.

    While I appreciate your points about Jesus taking pity on the poor, his main concern was for their spiritual wellfare. We mainly talk about Jesus' ministry on earth, don't we? Not that he was put here to physically feed some.

    Blinders on again. Jesus and His disciples shared their wealth, and cured the sick. Do Jehovah?s Witnesses do that? If they were truly Christian, they would do both, just like Jesus and the apostles. Have you analized how much of the gospels are dedicated to show that Jesus helped the physical needs of humans, and how much to proclaim the "good news"?

    On the parable to the rich man who wanted salvation, How many commandments about worshipping Jehovah did Jesus mention? None. Jesus did not worship Jehovah, He was more interested in loving God and people.

    There is a reason why Jesus did not say that we should love jehovah. That name was very well known by the jews. He only said we should love God.

    As in bible times, peoples spiritual needs far outweigh a temporary meal at a soup kitchen. As I said, it is good to feed the poor but not more important than helping them gain the hope of everlasting life.

    Blinders on again. Even the Jews recognize that the law was made for man, and not man for the law. Nobody knows for sure what the next life will be like. Even Paul said that you cannot love someone unless you see that his material needs provided for and you help him with those. Christians do this by seeing to their material needs first. (I am not Christian). They have true love for humanity. They don?t preach or put as a condition of their help that you receive the ?good news? first.

    The centurion did not even know about Jesus or Judaism. It was his works of charity that made him deserving to be called to the ?good news.?

    Think hard. Would JWs be called like the centurion was? Methinks not.

    Faraón

  • Undaunted Danny
    Undaunted Danny

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  • a friend in need
    a friend in need

    Faraon:

    Before I answer any of your reply, would you read Mt: 6 : 25. " On this account I say to YOU: Stop being anxious about your souls as to what you will eat or what YOU will drink, or about Your bodies as to what you will wear. Does not the soul mean more than food and the body more than clothing? ( verses 33 and 34 continue ) "Keep on, then seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these ( other ) things will be added to YOU. 34 So, never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Sufficient for each day is its own badness."

    Your theory on David Koresh and Jim Jones is just that, theory.

    You say there has to be something wrong with placing more value on books than life and I agree. But it is that young mans choice. Maybe to him, the hope of everlasting life in a perfect earth is more valuable than his dying body. I give him credit for his strong faith. And the nurse should be sanctioned for discussing any patient in public. Not a nurse I'd want!

    About my taking the blinders off, who did I say Jesus was speaking of - his brothers - so what's your point? You just confirmed my point.

    O.K. the point about the sisters I missed - of course they are included in the word brothers.

    First the Witnesses save lives and then they publish it --- you tell me which they put first.

    Jesus and his disciples cured the sick because they were able to with Holy spirit. When they all died, that ability no longer was given.

    We all know that GOD in the bible refers to Jehovah. Not just Witnesses.

    The centurion was acting according to his makeup. Man was created in Gods image; therefore, he acted in a kindly manner.

    The most important part of being Christian is to preach the good news. That was a command of Jesus. According to him, if you put that first in your life, all these other things will be added to you. Of course loving Jehovah and our fellowman is fully accomplished by preaching the good news of the kingdom.

    a f i n

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    A friend in need,

    Jesus catered to the whole person. While he placed spiritual matters above physical, does not mean he wants us to ignore the physical. He himself ate.(Luke 5:29-30) Often times part of his ministry consisted of healing the sick & lepers, making the blind to see, the deaf to hear, the lame to walk, casting out demons, etc. When the crowd was hungry, he fed them, etc. And he didn't always share spiritual "food" with them nor did he insist that they become his disciples. He did these things for people because he had pity and compassion for them. Where he saw a need, he took care of it.

    That passage in John 12:8 Jesus was not saying that we shouldn't look after the poor. Jesus was referring to Deut. 15:11: "The needy will never be lacking in the land; that is why I command you to open your hand to your poor and needy kinsman in your country." Nevertheless, the ointment was not a waste; it would be used on his body at his death. Judas objection was not because he cared about the poor. And Jesus is not saying that since there will always be poor people, there's nothing you can and should do about it.

    See also Matt. 6:42; Luke 14:12-14 ; Eph. 4:28; Even John the Baptist said as much at Luke 3:10-11

    The claim of JWs that they do not run soup kitchens, hospitals, etc. because they are too busy preaching (placing literature and holding Bible studies) =putting people's spiritual welfare first is a cop out. A man with an empty stomach will be hard pressed to concentrate on spiritual matters. And Jws can't run hospitals, but they sure do make use of them! So why can't you do both? And where do Jws do both?

  • a friend in need
    a friend in need

    Kenneson:

    Of course Jesus felt sorry for the people as they were as sheep tossed about, not being fed by the religious leaders of the day. That is in reference to spiritual food. He did use his powers to help any who had faith in him, but we do not have his powers so should follow his command to spiritually feed any we can.

    Would you mind quoting Mt: 6 : 42?

    I don't recall Jesus commanding his followers to build hospitals or soup kitchens. And why shouldn't the witnesses use hospitals -- don't they pay for their care just like everyone else?

    a f i n

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    A friend in need,

    I'm sorry. That should be Matt. 5:42: "Give to the one who asks of you, and do not turn your back on one who wants to borrow."

    And I don't recall Jesus commanding his followers to operate a big publishing firm, either. Do you?

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