Mental masterbaition is it bad or good? (page 2)

frankiespeakin

TS,

You know I still detect some masturbation hang ups in your post.

frankiespeakin

TS,

I liked your post BTW.

Here:

I try not to mentally masturbate too often.

I think you meant that you purposely try not to feel good in your mind.

Whether you choose to view it as good or bad, I think the point of the expression (but maybe not for all who use it) is just that it is 'not going anywhere', as Saint said. So as opposed to intercourse, whether sexual or intellectual, masturbation is just kind of repetition if nothing else, without any kind of exchange.

If you look at the Stuart Smalley character from SNL, that would be kind of a self esteem masturbation. "I'm good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me!" Of course sometimes self esteem is really low in some people and that might be helpful for a time, but that's just the thing - you gotta keep doing it, and ultimately you're not going anywhere. In fact, one might view it as a limit placed on the self. What I mean by that is you spend so much time and energy into some sort of 'masturbation' in an effort to reinforce your worldview, your identity as a sexual being or whatever that you never grow beyond that, you don't expand your repertoire in life beyond those things. So masturbation as behavior that cultivates a reinforced sense of self might make you feel better about yourself, but lets just say one might want to balance that against actually growing through different and diverse life experiences.

Satanus

Mark

That's an interesting enlargement on what i said. It might be related to the theory that some people have that we preexisted as spirits or possibly potentials in blissful states. In those states, no (almost none) developement/growth/change takes place. So, some of those potentials choose a rough and tumble 'camping trip' as a human life cycle. 'Course, this would apply on down the food chain. Just a thought.

In this paradigm, those who choose not to could be seen as being in a state of mentally (spiritually?) masturbating, not that there would be anything wrong w that, if it were true.

SS

truthseeker1

Without putting any good/bad attributes to mentally masturbating, and just looking at one of the after-effects, mental exhaustion, you can catch my meaning. I do not want to be mentally exhausted when I visit with my girlfriend, so I tend to not mentally masturbat often when I plan on seeing her. It would be unfair to her if I were too tired to share in mental stimulation with her, because I mentally masturbated all day long without her. Thats part of our relationship, this mental stimulation.

In no way did i try to imply it was bad to mentally masturbate, just was pointing out the reason why I don't do it too often.

Sorry for the misunderstanding :)

simplesally

Will your eyes still fall out?

truthseeker1

No, but you grow hair behind your ears.

Satanus

SS

My worts went away. Go figure.

SS still not blind

Markfromcali

Yes! I was just coming back to the thread to make a post about spiritual masturbation, which by the way is a point that 'spiritual people' have made before. (in so many words no less)

Of course, growth implies relative existence, and if spiritual existence is absolute then abiding in the bliss, meditating in a cave in the Himalayas wearing a diaper is probably the ultimate in spiritual masturbation. It has also been pointed out that sages eventually outgrow that stage and join the world and actually play an active part, this would be completion of the entire process - because you include both form and emptiness. From this perspective it really isn't growth anymore, there's just sort of an on going evolutionary process - but nothing is seen as better or worse. People who get to that point usually do something to facilitate the evolution of consciousness whether directly or indirectly, but if they really get it it is hardly something to be proud of. It's not as if you are better than anyone else, how can you be when there is no one else?

Mental masterbaition is it bad or good?

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