Mental masterbaition is it bad or good? (page 4)

frankiespeakin

Mark,,

Here's the way I see it: Ego is not bad,,ego is good but not perfected,,we perhaps should try to get ego to do what is good for whole body,,and all of evolution ,,,that is about the best we can do.

Frankie we might also ask does ego even exist? Yes there are certain persistent tendancies, but how do we conclude that it is a thing? See from the perspective of consciousness ego is just where we are not conscious, conscious of our nature - which leads to the confusion of separation. That's why they call it awakening, the rest naturally follows without any need for dogma.

frankiespeakin

Mark,

I'm not that far enough advanced to even ask that question intelligently.

Markfromcali

Frankie asking something intelligently is not nearly as important as pondering it, that childlike wonder is a powerful thing.

zen nudist

we are wired to soem degree to want sex and to think we need it...but most of that is just illusion brought about by evolutionary needs, not our own personal ones.... you do not necessarily live a better life devoting your time and energy to others... while others try to make you feel bad about being a hermit, there are thousands of monks and nuns who have known better.

A do gooding ego is still an ego - which is not to say it is bad, just calling it what it is. There is nothing wrong with being a hermit, but if you're a hermit because you're addicted to the bliss of emptiness, that's just another kind of attachment. It's the same thing if you're busy doing what would be considered good things because you're into this good guy identity. The real thing just comes naturally, while people interpret it as 'doing for others' the one who is actually there has no sense of other, neither is there any sense of self because the real thing makes any idea unnecessary. Better and higher is only meaningful when there's separation, and viewing the monastic life as better would be just another form of this. So I say don't be so quick to buy into the prevailing view of what the spiritual path is.

I do not think we are in disagreement...but I do think you may have misunderstood my intent. I am not saying any path is superior to any other, to me they are all the same in some ways all different in others.

but I am pointing out that what appears to be the nature of our existance leads to an internal drug addiction and those addicted being the majority making fun of and even harming at times those who deviate from the norms.

As to the path of enlightenment, I find that all systems, living or otherwise tend to seek stability and balance of forces as a natural result of the laws of physics... for a human this means seeking for a state of mind called peace or contentment.... since everything we do is caused by conditions which are the opposite of peace, namely, anxiety, boredom, dis-ease, etc.

As to spiritual paths, I find the term spirit from latin BREATH or HOT AIR, often means following BULL $#!+ dreamed up by the insane or the dishonest, or more often a bit of both, shepherds who are consciously or unconsciously preying on sheep... fleecing and leading them to the slaughter for the benefit of the shepherd.

Markfromcali

but I am pointing out that what appears to be the nature of our existance leads to an internal drug addiction and those addicted being the majority making fun of and even harming at times those who deviate from the norms.

I understand. I would only point out that there is always some norm, even if it is not the majority spiritual circles have their own norms. In my previous message the making fun was actually a paraphrase of people in spiritual circles, it is just making fun of your 'self' as there is no identification with that form either.

As to the path of enlightenment, I find that all systems, living or otherwise tend to seek stability and balance of forces as a natural result of the laws of physics... for a human this means seeking for a state of mind called peace or contentment.... since everything we do is caused by conditions which are the opposite of peace, namely, anxiety, boredom, dis-ease, etc.

But seeking in itself is an overcompensation and ends up being a movement away from that which you seek, since there is natural stability and balance. I would say it's pretty much the same as desire in context of the 4 noble truths as the cause of suffering. By focusing on exterior conditions and forces, one loses sight of that which is not subject to the pull of opposites - since both have the same essential nature. In other words, true peace have no opposite, and is not separate from opposites. They're one and the same.

This is the danger of systems - any system really, but in particular spiritual ones as the reality is always immediate, right here. As you probably know zen was originally such a direct path, no rituals or any box to fit yourself in, nothing to believe in to get you 'there.' You don't even need an authority figure to fall into the seeking trap, all you have to do is become a seeker.

Carmel

Does Mental Masturbation re-grow hair on the cranium?

Inquiring minds want to know...

carmel

ohiocowboy

If mental is anything like the physical, it HAS to be GOOOOOOOOOOD!!!

frankiespeakin

Carmel,

Does Mental Masturbation re-grow hair on the cranium? Inquiring minds want to know...

I suppose if one regularly engaged in MM one could possibly might grow a strand or two.

OC,

I think the yogis claim it is out of this world.Could be??

Actaully I'm more inclind to veiw orgasm as drawing close to absolute awareness,, the higher your orgasm the closer you are to absolute awareness.

Markfromcali

Frankie any blissful experience does tend to have more awareness, although that is probably the case because we tend to like the good feelings and reject the bad. If you're just aware it would include both.

Mental masterbaition is it bad or good?

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