Mental masterbaition is it bad or good? (page 3)

Leolaia

THEOCRATIC MASTURBATION: Getting off on requiring 5 meetings a week, at least 10 hours of "preaching" a month (best if it were over 20 hours, or more if you can pioneer), and being sure you get them all to buy the incessant flow of magazines, books, and crap you pump out.

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Jonty Parkin

Masturbation is for wankers who couldnt give a toss.

ApagaLaLuz

I was going to respond, but then quickly realized I had no idea what the hell you guys are talking about

myauntfanny

I think it's unfair to say that masturbation doesn't go anywhere. Like Woody Allen says, don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love. But if someone were sitting in a group of people masturbating while the others were trying to have a conversation, that would be kind of disruptive. I think that's why it's usually used as a negative comment, not because the criticism is against the mental masturbation per se, but the fact that the activity doesn't include anybody else.

zen nudist

mental masturbation can be things like meditating as well....

I prefer textual intercourse, but have had orgasmic eppiphanies mostly via mediation.

The stigma on masturbation comes from the notion that we need another to be normal, that alone we are losers and thus the popular F-- You.... meaning [you] [go] F-- you[rself] is really proclaiming you a LOSER who cannot get anyone to F-- with.

people have used this so often that its anger remains but the meaning has long ago been lost.

putting a twist on things, I find SEX to be a form of drug addiction that nature gave us to make us insane enough to give up our own individual persuits and happiness to benefit others we do not even have to like... many a man or woman has sacrificed their own goals because of an overwhelming compulsion to avoid the withdrawl of sexual involvement and to persue the same... Many spiritual seekers have sought to eliminate the distractions of sex to find a higher mental and spiritual plane of existance... we are wired to soem degree to want sex and to think we need it...but most of that is just illusion brought about by evolutionary needs, not our own personal ones.... you do not necessarily live a better life devoting your time and energy to others... while others try to make you feel bad about being a hermit, there are thousands of monks and nuns who have known better.

Corvin

The same issue is being discussed in the "That's so gay" thread. It seems that the easiest way to derogate an activity you don't like is to sexualize it in some negative way. Masturbation and homosexuality, even if some of us feel are not negative in any way, are still stigmatized in many sections of society and are thus semiotically legible as indexers of negative attitudes towards the activities described in such a manner.

Is that your way of saying that those who disapprove of homosexuals and masturbation are gay?

JK

Corvin

Leolaia

Not really....*smile* Just that when we hear someone say "That's so gay" either in person or on TV, we kinda understand that the attitude being expressed towards the activity/person/thing being called "gay" usually isn't a positive one....

Markfromcali

This post is in response to Auntfanny and Zen's posts.

The point in my messages to SS before is it isn't about you. (you of course may not agree, but I'm just saying that was the main point) Now obviously we do some things that makes us feel better sometimes, but it's just a question of whether that's your main concern. If that's the case, sex with another individual wouldn't be much different, if the motivation is the same.

Zen, as far as some of the points you mentioned it all depends on whether a person's idea of spirituality and goodness is coming from a projection from their own mind or if there has been an actual realization of union, which as you probably know means a death - there's nobody that survives to some higher plane, if we're talking about self realization. Someone can be high on their own idea of what being a spiritual person is about, (the seeker ego) including aversion to sex - which is still aversion, and that's no better than grasping. A do gooding ego is still an ego - which is not to say it is bad, just calling it what it is. There is nothing wrong with being a hermit, but if you're a hermit because you're addicted to the bliss of emptiness, that's just another kind of attachment. It's the same thing if you're busy doing what would be considered good things because you're into this good guy identity. The real thing just comes naturally, while people interpret it as 'doing for others' the one who is actually there has no sense of other, neither is there any sense of self because the real thing makes any idea unnecessary. Better and higher is only meaningful when there's separation, and viewing the monastic life as better would be just another form of this. So I say don't be so quick to buy into the prevailing view of what the spiritual path is.

OF COURSE it would be easier to abide in peace and stillness if you're in an isolated environment, but the real test is whether that still exist in the everyday world that the rest of us lives in. If not, it was just a function of stimuli or the lack of it. I'm sure you'd agree that what we're talking about is something deeper than that, if nothing else. There may be a time for that, but to look at it another way if that's the only way you can have peace then you are now imprisoned in that environment.

frankiespeakin

Mark,

Very interesting post,,it is one of your clearest yet,,!!!

Mental masterbaition is it bad or good?

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