According to the bible.....what were birds made of? (page 5)

Hey...putting all seriousness aside.......how come bible believers have not responded as to an answer to these scriptures and this question? It's a good question!!!!

Gumby

Kaethra

hahahaha gumby! another good try. but not the right one!

btw, "If a guys got a prosthetic ding dong.....the ladies won't touch him." That's not always true. The ladies definitely won't touch him if it's got splinters though.

Thread hijacking subject to continuation until Shotgun responds...

p.s. sorry I have no reply to your original question...what was it again? does the bible say birds are made out of air?

Gumby.....To clarify a little, the J account of the creation of animals and man from the ground and dust does not only recall the conception in the Akkadian Gilgamesh Epic (re the creation of Enkidu) but it also resembles creation motifs in Ugaritic texts. Thus, El creates the healing deity in the Tale of King Keret by molding him from clay, and Asherah similarly heals the person in an exorcism spell by molding him and breathing into the person her divine breath of life. The concept was thus also a Canaanite one. As for the P creation story, creation from water or specifically the Sea/Deep is the motif found in the Enuma Elish wherein Marduk creates the cosmos through a battle with the sea-serpent Tiamat and divides up her body to create the cosmos. In the creation hymn in Genesis 1, God similarly creates the earth, heaven, and then the creatures in the Sea by dividing the primeval thwm "deep" and rearranging it. The cosmogonic myth of Yahweh's battle against the Sea-dragon is found throughout the OT, and is explicitly described in the Talmud as occuring at creation. See my thread on the subject:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/68098/1.ashx

Since it's believed that Genesis chap. 1 is from the same writer (if it is), then how does one explain Gen. Chap1, verses 3 & 14? This is the luminary discrepancy that differs on the day they were created. Would the same writer make a mistake so close together?

There is no luminary mentioned in v. 3. Note that the sun and moon were created to rule the day and night in v. 18, but light and darkness exist independently of them. Similarly, day and night pre-exist the luminaries designed to rule them. Eventually the task of separating the light from the darkness would be assigned to the heavenly luminaries in v. 18, but light precedes sunlight. Darkness is described in v. 2 as uncreated and a feature of primeval chaos, and the appearance of light (possibly from the divine sphere, as the creation hymn in Psalm 104:2 describes) is what breaks up the eternal continuity of darkness. What is really being created in v. 3-5 is the rhythm of time; the separation between light and darkness is not in spatial terms but temporal terms. Note how Job 38:19 refers to day as the "abode of light" and night as the "residence" of darkness; each has its own "place" or abode. Even the separate days and nights of the year appear to have independent and continuous existence apart from the luminaries created to rule them: "That night, may thick darkness seize it (i.e. without any luminaries) may it not be included among the days of the year nor be entered in any of the months" (Job 3:6).

As an aside, take a look at the following Phoenician creation myth reported by Philo of Byblos:

"At the beginning of everything there was darkness and a strong wind or darkness and a whining wind and a black slimy chaos. It was unordered and undefined and remained so for an age. But when the wind fell in love with its own first principles (e.g. chaos), it gave rise to a mixture called Pothos that was at the beginning of the cosmos. From the embrace of the wind with the uncreated deep, (the god) Mot was born, who some say is mud and others call a putrescence of a watery mixture. From this arose the seed of all creation, and the birth of the universe. The first creatures were things without sensation and consciousness and from them grew intelligent creatures which were called Zophasemin, "the Watchers of heaven", and they were shaped in the form of an egg. At that time Mot burst forth into light, and gave rise to the sun, the moon, and stars, as well as the major contellations. As the air burst into light, both the sea and the earth became heated and gave birth to winds and clouds, and the terrible downpours and floods of the waters of heaven. After these were separated, and removed from their original abode because of the sun's heat, they met each other again in the air, producing thunder and lighting as they crashed into each other, and aroused the intelligent creatures who woke up and began to move across the earth and in the sea, both male and female." (Philo of Byblos, PE 1.10)

Some interesting parallels there...

peacefulpete

Gumby.....Just to add to Leolaia's nice comment, there appears to be a structure to the P creation story in chapt 1 that is easily missed by casual readers. The first 3 days describe a setting where in the following three occupy the setting with objects.

1. Light 4. Light-bearing bodies

2. separation of waters 5. life in waters and air
and waters

3. Dry land, vegetation 6. Life fills dry land, man made,
vegetation food for man

So really the author was not blundering as is often suggested by Bible critics, he was just using a sequencial order as we might have notexpected.

gumby

There is no luminary mentioned in v. 3. Note that the sun and moon were created to rule the day and night in v. 18, but light and darkness exist independently of them. Similarly, day and night pre-exist the luminaries designed to rule them. Eventually the task of separating the light from the darkness would be assigned to the heavenly luminaries in v. 18, but light precedes sunlight.

Leolaia,

To look at my topic, and to look at what were discussing.......does differ a bit, but it's cool.

First of all, the bible writer(s) was speaking of the earth.....period! Without a sun, this planet would be in total darkness.....correct? ....See Gen. 1:1

If the bible writer said he made light on the first day, but the sun (luminary) on the 4th day, do you think this bible writer was speaking about somewhere else in space he made some light, or was he talking about this planet? If he was talking about this planet....which he was, then WHERE did the "light" come from if the sun hadn't been created till the 4th day?.....See Gen: 1:14. No matter how you slice it, there was vegatation bearing fruit without a sun according to the bible. Where you get this "light" from I'm not sure. Maybe I'm too dumb for this, or your too dumb. One of us is dumb.

Gumby

According to the bible.....what were birds made of?

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