by XQsThaiPoes 57 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Dear lord one 607 thread and scholar comes out of hiding.
Scholar can you explain how 586 is a dead end instead of defending 607?
Also 1914 is not important to me personally. I can't prove or disprove some invisible event they claim they predicted almost decades after the fact after the original prediction by a person in another religion failed.
scholar,
: The date 607 is a solid calcuable date based upon secular and biblical evidence.
Name just ONE piece of secular evidence for 607 BC. Just ONE. Forget "Biblical" evidence, let's just deal with the records of the day. You know, the Neo-Babylonian records; the day by day receipts and bills and normal transactions of the time. There are at least TEN THOUSAND of them in existence now from that period.
So just show ONE piece of secular evidence that validates your claim.
I'm waiting.
Farkel
Farkel why do other faiths claim 607/605 is the begining of the 70 years of desolation?
And the watchtower defended 586 as the secular date in 1992. I dont know if that helps you or scholar.
unJesusSaved,
: Farkel why do other faiths claim 607/605 is the begining of the 70 years of desolation?
Name one faith that does outside of the WTS.
: And the watchtower defended 586 as the secular date in 1992. I dont know if that helps you or scholar.
Reference please?
Farkel
COJ = Carl Olof Jonsson
GTR = Gentile Times Reconsidered
First, for all the gory details, READ COJ's "Gentile Times Reconsidered". My edition (3 rd , 1998, ISBN 0-914675-06-0 Commentary Press, Atlanta; can be ordered @ Borders or B&N, etc.) is ~350 pages. So this is a meaty subject.
Whatever anybody says about it, GTR CATALOGS THE CURRENT PRO'S & CON'S ON THE SUBJECT. I have read it and it seems that this is a relatively neutral tome and is done in a neutral tone. What I observed from reading the book is that COJ simply CATALOGS THE ARGUMENTS, in the "A-B comparison" manner. I ignored the ridicule against COJ, broke down and read the book. The results:
1) I didn't see that COJ had "an axe to grind"; his detractors seem to, though. This is usually the case when someone's "sacred ox is gored".
2) Following the above lead, if you simply do an "A-B comparison" type of scheme, the score is 14 to <1 AGAINST the WTS on the subject of 607.
3) There are more editions of GTR than just the first. This is because there are THINGS HAPPENING IN TRANSLATION, MANUSCRIPT DISCOVERY AND ARCHAEOLOGY, EVEN TODAY. It seems that there is an effort to keep this book up to date with CURRENT EVENTS!!! So stay tuned: THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A "STATIC" SUBJECT.
My conclusions:
1) When you let the "chips fall where they will", the WTS fairs poorly.
2) COJ's GTR is the "line the sand"; anyone who disagrees, refute COJ first.
Now, is there an answer as to the WHY of it? That is readily explained by the synthesis of two concepts: WISHFUL THINKING & ARROGANCE.
XQ, you have said/admitted to enough things to accommodate WISHFUL THINKING on the part of the WTS; now as far as the ARROGANCE is concerned, let's be equally honest/candid and admit to the WTS being ARROGANT.
In a partial defense, let us just say that they have a sincere but misguided belief in the Bible and that they believe that they are THE "Defenders of the Faith".
Still, there is not a single humble thought in all of JW-dom; that said, just apply that scripture about "pride going before a fall".
Mustang
It is all above farkel in my post. Also those were webpages by indivuals I have no idea what the LDS(mormons) or Christian Science churches have to say about it officialy. In general I have 605-609 as the start of the 70 years of desolation.
XTP
Read this entire thread it covers just about all you need to know about this subject
SG that thread is nice but does not help. It puts the first year of king neb2 at 605 bc. Some people claim that is aroung the start of the 70 years. Looks like you have to chose what real life event this sybolic thing means then pic when it happend.
If you want to find conflicts in watchtower continuity great thread. But I am trying to figure out why other religions that care nothing about 1914 seem to think around 607 is the start of the 70 years other than just adding 70 to 537 for the sake of making the bible seem accurate. I think it may be just coincedence.
Of the three sites that you referenced only on the Christian Science page claims 607 as the destruction of
Here is a christian science page that used 607 as the destuction of .
http://www.trmi.com/38.htm
607 BC / 4) Nebuchadnezzar destroys
and the temple. This is pretty cut and dry, know argument here.
Here is a LDS page that claims 605=607 and is the destruction of .
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/captivity.html
A king of his own choice he appointed in the city (and) taking the vast tribute he brought it to ."
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The king of his choice was Zedekiah (see 2 Kgs 24:17). The date mentioned corresponds to , on our calendar. Look at 2 Kings 25:8-9 and you find that the was destroyed in the nineteenth year of Nebuchadnezzar, which coincides with the 11 th year of Zedekiah (2 Kings 25:2). So the destruction would have happened in 597-11=586 BC.
Here is a 605 page.
http://www.ldolphin.org/Timesg.html
587 Zedekiah rebels against Nebuchadnezzar. He is blinded and taken to where he dies. Zedekiah is the last king in the line of David to reign in until the Messiah reigns during the millennium (Ezekiel 34:23-24; Jeremiah 23:5; 2 Kings 24:18-25:21; 2 Chronicles 36:13-21; Jeremiah 39:1-8). Final siege and destruction of the on the 9th of Av (August) 586. Jeremiah taken to . The bolded text says that the was destroyed in 586. refers to Solomon?s
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It is a good question why the Christian Science claims the destruction as 607 BC. It may or may not relate to 1914 for them. At the time they began was around 1850s and may have used the same materials that Russell used. Will look and see if I can find out why, unless someone posts the answer first.
Can anyone tell me why Temple did not show any place that I typed it in the post. Used Word and than copyed and pasted it into the posting box.
