Proof of Jesus existance

by Jew 86 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • belbab
    belbab

    Hello Jew,

    The choice of your name, three letters J-e-w, has made a solid impact on me, more so than the names of any other posters.

    I have read the some 60 replies to your question: ?is there any proof of the promised Messiah being Jesus of Nazareth and if so, how can you be sure if he existed??

    To answer your question, do I add to the replies already made, with more scriptures, more references, arguments, or archeology ?

    What do I have at hand, right in the immediate now, to reply with? I have the pages of a book with me, translated through the centuries, with many people spending their whole lives to its promulgation and even losing their lives in process.

    In this book I read, that a man called Jesus of Nazareth, summed up his teachings with the words: ?You shall love the one God, with all your heart, and you shall love your neighbor as yourself.? I read that he said to love your enemies. I read also that he went about the land and healed the blind, the deaf , the cripples, the sick, the downtrodden and discouraged. The general opinion of that time was that these people were cursed by God and their disabilities were evidence that they merited his displeasure. Jesus stood them up on their feet. After three and a half years he was killed for his efforts.

    It is written that he also spoke these words ? You search the Scriptures because you believe they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me!?

    To answer your question for proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed without dragging in endless scriptures, so-called holy or otherwise, let me change the question a little.

    ?is there any proof of the promised Messiah being Jesus of Nazareth and if so how can you be sure he exists??

    If this man, Jesus of Nazareth cannot be found existing today, whether within humanity or through a manifestation of his teachings then it would be futile to prove he existed 20 centuries ago.

    I have lived for seventy years plus through the turbulent times of modern history. One of the most distressing , sorrowful inhumanities to man is the extermination of some six million Jews within the nations who claim Jesus Christ as their king. I am ashamed of my own country?s record during that period, because the then prime minister refused to grant asylum to the victims of the atrocity. I am also ashamed that the religious organization that I later became a part of considered these people as cursed by God and as food for carrion birds.

    So the question is: Does Jesus of Nazareth exist today?!

    To answer this question, let me lead your attention to your own back yard.

    Let me lead you as well as other readers of these posts to The Avenue of the Righteous Among the Nations.

    http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/righteous/index_righteous.html

    Yad Vashem is a Jewish Memorial established in Israel, commemorating some 20,000 people, gentiles, non-jews, who risked their lives to deliver thousands of victims from horrific death. Trees are planted along this avenue to commemorate their righteousness.

    One of the foremost names is that of Raoul Wallenberg, a swedish diplomat who saved tens of thousands of Jews in Budapest from extermination, by issuing them Swedish papers and sheltering them in Swedish diplomatic premises. After the war, he spent the remaining days of his life in solitary confinement in Russian prisons.

    http://www.raoul-wallenberg.org.ar/english/heroesintumba.htm

    The righteousness of Jesus of Nazareth continues to exist down to our day despite the continual unrelenting forces of opposers determined to extinguish the flames of love and courage that exist in the human heart.

    belbab

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Craig:

    I can't provide a quote off-hand, but I have no doubt that "examine yourself" came from a pre-Christian Greek philosopher, and probably even then from some 2nd-millenium BC Eastern Oriental mystic.

    Only that far back, huh?
    I suspect it's been buried in the mind of man since he could first contemplate self-awareness. "Know Thyself" is another approximation, that is widespread and historic.
    My point isn't that it was first recorded in the bible, but rather that the WTS hasn't got exclusive use of the term

  • seesthesky
    seesthesky

    interesting topic - yawwnnnnnnnn - good night

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Night STS.
    Maybe the board will be busier tomorrow, and you might find a subject you actually care about

  • NewSense
    NewSense

    The admonishment - "Know thyself" - was carved on the temple wall of the Delphic oracle (the oracle at Delphi). In the classic period, the Delphic oracle was the supreme oracle of Greece, presided over by the god Apollo. The site of the Delphic oracle was assumed to be ther very center of the Earth, marked by the sacred navel-stone (the so-called "omphalos"). Actually, the Delphic oracle had its roots in very remote antiquity; it antedates the Greeks by many, many years. Even the ancient Greeks recognized their Apollo as a late-comer to this site.In any case "Know thyself" and "Nothing too much" were two of the oracle's most famous exhortations.

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    belbab,

    The righteousness of Jesus of Nazareth continues to exist down to our day despite the continual unrelenting forces of opposers determined to extinguish the flames of love and courage that exist in the human heart.

    AMEN, AMEN and AMEN

    michelle

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell
    After several attempts, I found that in each situation I ended up feeling that everything was incredibly FAKE! Maybe I just don't have the Holy Spirit or whatever. Maybe I didn't try hard enough. Maybe it's not my time. Or maybe a personal relationship with Jesus is a way to ease guilt/please parents/impress the other sex/feel good about yourself/feel justified in feeling superior. I can only imagine...

    My experience is that all those emotions are all fake. Religion is for weak minded people that cannot accept reality. If you read up on the origins of Christianity you will find that the early Christians merged their Jesus stories with the early God man mythologies and that they destroyed/suppressed that knowledge for the last 2,000 years.

    Will

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    GUESS WHAT. I READ THE WHOLE THING. YES I DID. EVERY POST ON THIS THREAD.

    I LEARNED THAT QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE HAVE SPENT TIME EDUCATING THEMSELVES REGARDING RELIGION AND ANCIENT TRIBAL HISTORY.

    YEP, I READ ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND CHALLENGES AND THE WELL RESEARCHED REPLIES.

    NOW I FIND MYSELF JUST AS CONFUSED AND CONFLICTED ABOUT ALL THIS, AS I WAS AT THE START.

    THIS HAPPENS EVERY TIME I TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT ALL THESE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AND TEACHINGS ARE ALL ABOUT.

    I KEEP HOPING THAT GOD/JESUS WILL DO A REVALATION ON ME.

    SOME SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE THAT WILL GIVE ME THE ANSWERS AND ALL I GET IS ANOTHER GOD DAMNED HEADACHE.

    Outoftheorg

  • Midget-Sasquatch
    Midget-Sasquatch

    I don' t think there is any definite evidence that the Jesus of the Gospels (Bible and others) existed.

    The Christ figure (of Catholicism or Gnosticism) is definitely heavily based on previous pagan myths. Just look up the myth of Horus as one example.

    But its more likely that in first century palestine there WAS a man Jesus (that had admirable principles, views and manner of dealings and he inspired the following that was later morphed by Paul and others) than there WASN'T. New cults are usually started off around some real key figure although there are always exceptions. I've only come up with likelihoods.

    Two great books were mentioned in one the posts here one was The Jesus Legend... ...there's a new one out as well called the Pagan Christ.

  • kes152
    kes152

    Dearest Jew,

    I wish you the GREATEST of peace!

    I wasn't sure how to answer your post because what "evidence" you are asking for, I don't know if I can supply that. I asked my Lord and this is what I have heard:

    "If you are indeed asking, keep asking and you will find. Keep seeking, keep knocking and the door will be opened to you."

    I was also granted by the Spirit to share this with you, Jew. Jew, if you are truly serious about finding out, you really have to look at your intentions behind WHY you are asking, WHY you want to know. Are you asking because you "want" to believe? If so, WHY do you want to believe? Are you asking so that you can choose NOT to believe? If so, WHY do you wish not to believe? You really have to look at your intents behind why you ask because your intents, your heart, can DETERMINE for you "what" you will believe and "what" you will not believe REGARDLESS of what evidence or "proof" is set before you.

    Take care,

    Aaron

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