New 607 info?

by startingover 73 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  Leolaia

  I'm saying it depends on the context and where they are in their own personal journey. You keep speaking in very generalized terms; maybe you're only thinking of die-hard JWs or JWs you might encounter as they go door-to-door. I was thinking more of ppl on their way out who I might meet in person through JWD or in chat online. I agree that with those fully in the cult, you want to be very careful in the things you say and how you say it, in order to not play into the stereotype of a bitter "apostate", etc. If they came to my door, the conversation would undoubtedly be based on the material or theme that they already selected. But in meeting or talking to those who already have doubts, who are already curious about these things, I think it would not be inappropriate at all to talk about these things if those are things they are curious about. I mean, here at JWD we have lots of different ppl with different worldviews -- some still in the JW theological mindset, some atheists, some agnostics, etc. We're not all cut from the same cloth. I think it depends on the person and on what the person is interested in, if they have certain questions about the Bible or about whether it is inspired, and how reliable it is. I mean, if the issue happens to be creation vs. evolution, I would not hestitate to explain what evolution is and why the biblical story should not be accepted as historical. If this is specifically the issue they are interested in, and if they do have an open mind, would I still bridle my mouth and not go into those things? But even before that, I think with most ppl it is more important to carefully bring up things that would let them critically think about the organization, its history, and why the organization is not from God (and 1914 is part of that), before going into either the niceties of Daniel or the mythological content in the Hebrew Bible.
  

  Most parents will tell you that a number of their arguments with their children are based on a known error. The children know it; we, as parents, know it, but the argument has to occur anyway.

  If that's your method, more power to you. But I don't find it intellectually honest and it's not something I would do. I would find another argument to use that isn't actually specious. I think I'd want to do better than stoop to that.
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  Gill

  I love the 607 issue. Can't get enough of it! My mother will be back next week for a RV and I can't just sit there again repeating insanely 'but it's not true' ! Come on! Give me more ammo. She mesmerised me with the five beasts of Daniel and seven of Revelation last week and if she does that again...well I may just wrap the Inspired book around her neck. I have just one book on the subject and she will not take any internet information seriously as the internet is satan's tool to turn people away from Jehovah in the last days. And I can't say 'Mum, 607 is crap!' because I don't want to offend the old dear. So give me more hints and tips. I have to save her and let her free... at least I'd like to try. I'm rather impressed that she's willing to take on a 'wicket apostate' like myself. Sweet isn't it.

  Gill
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  stecka

  what a sorry lot you are sitting around debating dates and using that to apostate yourself. May Jehovah forgive your souls, seems like some of you used to be brothers and sisters. dates although correct or incorrect are not the important issue. as christians you should know that imitating christ is the most important issue. perhaps you should spend your time tryoing to do that, and trying to reconstruct your salvation. their is plenty of eveidence to show that this is the time of the end. May Jehovah bless and recall your souls.
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  googlemagoogle

  their is plenty of eveidence to show that this is the time of the end.
  
  for example?
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  stecka

  the mere fact that you have left the truth and now attack it shows you that it is here. also why dont you read Matthew 24:1-14, after that ask yourself who else publishes bible literature in 400 languages in 235 lands. GOOD NEWS PREACHED TO ALL THE EARTH.
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  stecka

  I feel sorry for you Gill, you obviously lack the ability to see yourself, please read 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4. I hope you wake up before its to late, then again perhaps your stubboness will prevent you.
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  stecka

  stillajwexelder, perhaps you may stay an ex, maybe not. I hope for your sake that you dont. changes only took place in the 70's and 80's acording to those who do not have a heart or mind that works together as one to see truth. so let me spell it out for you. to us who see clearly it is not called change but cleanse, please read Titus 2:14, 2 Timothy 2:19. make your self clean ex elder, return to that to which you belong. why should your rpide destroy you.
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  stecka

  I see a lot of armchair experts, but where can you use the bible and show scriptures to back up what you say. come now show me the scriptures and your reasoning on them. or is the bible a scarey place for you to go. perhaps your heart is to afraid to look into the book of gods word. perhaps the truth of the bible is gods word, alive and exerting power, power that scares you to much go there.
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  Gill

  Stecka,Stecka what can I say! You obviously misunderstood the drift of my line! I do not want to upset and distress my mother when she stands there spouting a line that she has been given to spout. You make me smile because you then give no reason except for faith and belief without evidence just as my mother does. I don't want to say to her 'shut up you brainwashed and demented fool' much as I would not like to say such a thing to you. But how do you back yourself up? Much as my mother does. Paraphrasing your words you hope that I will see the error of my ways before it's too late. Both of you threaten me with imminent destruction from your "loving" God Jehovah, or at least your version of him. I have gotten out of the error of my ways by escaping from the JW cult! All you can shout is repent, repent before it's too late! I was a JW for over 40 years so I KNOW. A saying of Jesus always caught my attention even as a child:

  "...by their works you will know them."

  And I know the ways of the JW's. You are not talking to an ignorant fool who does not know their subject but someone who does , but understands that people like my mother, who I do love, are totally brainwashed and cannot see out of what they are told to believe and why daren't they see out.? Well you said it mate, because they fear their destruction. Didn't you say you hoped I'd be back if I wasn't too stubborn. It's not stubborness, Stecka, it's having seen the light. Why don't you try or are you too scared? If you're right, surely there's nothing to fear, or is there?

  Ask yourself, 'what have I got to lose if I accurately search as much as possible to find out if what I believe is correct?"

  All the people on this site are not saying that being a christian is wrong but they are saying that blindly following a cult because you fear this is the time of the end , is wrong and dangerous for you and your mental health in the long run. Isn't it a bit superstitious like if I throw salt over my shoulder when I spill it nothing bad will happen to me. So if I got to all the meetings and out on the ministry I'll be all right in the long run just as stupid. So the dates don't matter then. And the unscriptural behaviour doesn't matter. And the nasty backbiting and constant petty criticisms don't matter. So what does matter to you? Just hanging on to the JW's coattails so that you get a chance of 'maybe surviving Armageddon!'

  Get a Life!
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  googlemagoogle

  ahh.. ok
  
  1.) i haven't left "the truth"...
  2.) where does matthew write about publishing literature in 400 languages? catholic and protestant missionaries were making disciples of all nations hundrets of years before russel even came in contact with the adventists.
  3.) i'm not afraid of using the bible... just gimme a topic and we can talk bible talk.