New 607 info?

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  • stecka
    stecka

    Gill you mentioned that you dont want to hurt your mother thats good, i comend you on that, somthing rings a bell such as have honor for your mother and father. well done, with out seeing it you have fulfilled a scripture, yet you say you are not a witness. I say you just bore witness against yourself, in the sense of showing or prooving to yourself that you cant act like a none christian. God is love and you have acted in love towards your mother well done. 40 years as a witness and you did not see that, like i said gill wake up while you have the chance. maybe there are certain things within the organisation that dont fit or dont make sense, i agree. i have suffered the same things myself. but the point of being a christian is acting in love equaly to all. now when you do that you walk with God true? however when you walk with God then deny him as you have done and mock him as you have done then any good catholic will tell you that you are in trouble, not to mention the united church and all the other christain denominations that will agree with that statement. get a life is what you said to me Gill, well before becoming a true christian i had one and while you were a witness i was enjoying all the evill things you were warned against. the strange thing is i have come to be where you once were. get a life gill, i think i can safely say that have tasted more then you would care to know.......!! and believ me gill i can speak from experiencing both sides of the fence, being a witness is only where the true life is, not because i am told but because i have prooved it to myself. while you are busy trying hard to proove to yourself it is not. the mere fact that you have to try so hard to proove it to yourself that it is not the truth is because in your heart and mind you have no doubt that it is. what a contant struggle you must have gill. sounds like the apostle Paul when he said in Romans 7:22, 23; "I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, but I behold in my members another Law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sins law that is in my members. so gill you realydelight in doing gods will towards your mother but fight to do sins law according to your flesh in order to show to yourself that the truth is a lie.

  • stecka
    stecka

    googlemagoogle, "not left the truth" so are you then trying to lead these lost sheep back home? or do you just have a rebelious spirit? oh by the way would one of you pleas quote me the place where it says that I must not use the internet being a jehovahs witness. and winston will you humour me with soem form of intelligence and try to spell proparli plis.

    googlemagoogle what subject would you like to discuss, you are the one trying to put your opinion over to the world. so where is the scriptual evidence of your theories.

    not wrong to be a Christian excellent, whats wrong about being one then? why do you find it neccesary to come here and tear down the truth.

    please i could be anyone, but lets keep it like this maybe the reason that there is no people makes it easy to see what is being said so look at your bibles. why are you afraid to go into the bible and bring out the scriptures that show your reasoning, please show me some hospitality in this area.

  • Gill
    Gill

    STECKA!! You're back! Did they let you go or did you have to escape!!!

    I can tell you like me really. You only have lovely things to say about me, and you don't even know me. I knew my charm would show up on the net!

    As for going 'back' before it's too late, didn't I ask you to stop with that 'repent,repent, repent, before it's too late. I've heard my CD player do that sometimes when it's acting up.

    The fact is Stecka, are you my Mum by any chance???? No? Well all right, but you sure sound like her. I have not left the Witnesses because of anything that someone's done to me but because I wanted to prove to myself that it was all true and that we would all live forever in paradise on earth and the 'end is nigh.

    Now you go and prove it for yourself. Let me know when you've done a SIGNIFICANT amount of 'worldly' or secular research.

    Remember, love, blind faith is not enough. It's NOT enough.

  • ellderwho
    ellderwho
    . the mere fact that you have to try so hard to proove it to yourself that it is not the truth is because in your heart and mind you have no doubt that it is. what a contant struggle you must have gill. sounds like the apostle Paul when he said in Romans 7:22, 23; "I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, but I behold in my members another Law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sins law that is in my members.

    Stecka,

    Your analogy is laughable! Paul is telling us what the state of man is! You cant change this, EVER!

    This is a major problem for the Witness. You will never know when your done working for your salvation. Carry this thought, to the end.

    Even in your "paradise" the day after Armageddon you will have death. You could "slip-up" and be zapped to death, and sinners that are ressurected into your "paradise" will be killed or zapped after non-compliance. (this will be more deaths then Armageddon will have)

    Then after the 1,000 years, its still not the end for deaths reign, you better be on your best, best, best behavior, because Satan comes back and seduces more witnesses to "slip-up" and zapped and killed.

    So you have a lot work ahead of you, not only making a paradise for yourself and all the sinners from world history past, you will still be at risk, in the paradise you help build.

    SAD!

    so gill you realydelight in doing gods will towards your mother but fight to do sins law according to your flesh in order to show to yourself that the truth is a lie.
    You need a Bible study.
  • stecka
    stecka

    gill I was raised church of england, my friends later on were born agains, i have studied most christian religions and now begining to study eastern ones. personaly I have studied the worlds things by experience. blind faith is not something I have. I continue each day to proove to myself that what the watchtower prints is the truth. of course there is the weed amongst the wheat class as jesus fortold. thus it takes searching and digging to really find the truth. but seeing that you spend a lot of time debating whether or not things are apostate or not or whether things are right or not does not leave much time to dig or search for the truth within the truth. there were those who sat and heard gill, even though Jesus gave the conclusion that their ears were just ornaments on the side of their heads. but there are those of us whom walk amongst them, the difference is of course that we hear. read Matthew 13:10-17. Gill you left to proove the truth to yourself, perhaps you should really look at this statement, because what I see is the reasoning of a person who denies who they really are. i dont need a bible study at all, but what you will find being that your ears are open is this. paul had to fight against the natural inclination to do what the bible calls sin, he did this by using his mind. however this works in the opposite form as well. some fight to do what the bible calls sin, thus ignoring what the mind says to them is right. you gill are fighting against your own fear, you believe that fear prevents you from being free. what is actually happening is this, satan has used that fear to lead you into rebelling against Jehovah in order to proove to yourself that the truth is the truth. that is the trap, you are doing what satan wants you to do, simply because you wish to proove to yourself that you dont have to be afraid to leave the truth, or to step outside of it for awhile.

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    Stecka writes: "...quote me the place where it says I must not use the internet being a Jehovah's Witness." It doesn't say you shouldn't use the internet. After all, the W.T. Society has its own official site. But why don't you ask the elders if the Watchtower Society recommends you visiting apostate sites. You might want to consider the following articles on the topic at

    http://quotes.watchtower.ca/internet.htm

  • ellderwho
    ellderwho

    Stecka,

    First, please use paragraph breaks in your post, its a lot easier to read.

    I continue each day to proove to myself that what the watchtower prints is the truth. of course there is the weed amongst the wheat class as jesus fortold. thus it takes searching and digging to really find the truth.

    This is a contradictory statement. Because the WT. in many if not all cases proves that what is truth yesterday might not be truth tomorrow. They have perpetrated this since its inception.

    And why if the WT has the truth would there be a need to search or dig?

  • Gill
    Gill

    Stecka,

    you're beginning to concern me because I feel that you might be counting me as a return visit and be getting some time in for your report this month!

    I have to ask you to put me on you map as a Do Not Call or else next time I won't be in when you knock!

    My last word of advice to you is to repeat:

    '..by their works you will know them.'

    O.K?

  • googlemagoogle
    googlemagoogle

    yes, stecka, i'm rebellious, please help me becoming a good witness again...

    but first you'd have to explain a few things. one of them is the 607 issue, and there's a lot of information around already (also bible-backed), so no need to write all that down again.

    another one is last weeks great wt-study article (and other scripture-screwing): how could someone get from "someone went (maybe even physically) to 3rd heavens and saw something unsayable" - to - "paul had a vision of our centuries congregations". don't know about you, but "bible-based" "explainations" like these make me feel like vomiting...

  • boa
    boa

    Its been my experience that many witnesses today cannot say why their
     religion is the truth. No matter what area of 'proof' they would turn to,
     there are 10 things to shatter such 'proof' to bits. 607 is only one. 
    The fabrication of 'evidence', 'proving' these are the last days, by misusing
     statistics and applying them to 1914 is another. My suggestion Stecka is....
    lurk on this site for awhile longer....go into the archives....surface again 
    a few weeks from now.....if you survive to sign in here again, you will 
    likely understand the people here a lot better. You will also understand 
    your precious 'truth' much better. 
    Good LUCK! 
    boa....

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