What sports are considered violent and forbidden by Jehovah?

by jwbloodline 67 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Noumenon

  Hi Jwbloodline -

  I am an inactive JW and took up Brazilian jiu-jitsu just over 3 months ago!

  Must say that I was never inclined to do any martial arts cause of the kicking and punching but I was always attracted to it because of the discipline and sense of pride one feels in the accomplishment of mastering it. Since I pulled away from the org about 2 years ago I've now got to the stage where I don't mind doing jiu-jitsu because it has no punching or striking like you say.

  I'm enjoying it but it's pretty hardcore doing full-on grappling with some of the bigger more experienced guys. I'm focusing on mastering my defense and escapes for now as I read that is the best for beginners...then positioning and timing will come.

  Where are do you train?

  ps - just been watching the 2004 Mundial. That Jacare is a freak wot!
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  Noumenon

  ps - If any JW's query your grappling just read them Genesis 32: 24-26. Jacob must have
  been one mean grappler to pin an angel down all night!

  pps - Like anything it is the motives and intentions of the person that matters. If you do BJJ purely for the recreation/sport side, or for self-defence, then my view is there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. If you are attacked, chances are the fight will go to the ground, or you have learnt how to easily take it to the ground (90% of real fights go to the ground or it WILL go to the ground if one of the persons wants it to, ie, you the defender). You then have all the skils to quickly and easily choke the person unconscious without having harmed or hurt them permanently. You turn him over onto his side to regain consciousness, get up and walk away, and you can't get in trouble with the law. Or you have all the skills to quickly sweep the guy over, escape and run away if you choose.

  Hence why Judo, wrestling and Brazilian jiu-jitsu, ie, self-defence based arts with no kicking or punching in my view are totally ok for Christians and it is purely up to your own conscience. They are not nearly so attack based like Karate or Kung Fu (although you can do serious harm or kill someone with jiu-jitsu if you were sick enough to - but if you had the will to do that you obviously were never a true Christian anyway).

  SO GO HARD FOR THE NEXT BELT MAN!
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  formerout

  BroBennett said:

  But, Jeff... you are only interested in debating with me since I have all the answers but you choose to be in the dark still.

  Your comment is arrogant and hypocritical. People only debate when they feel that the other party does NOT have all the answers. Otherwise why would they even waste a word. Silly man.

  Most people are trying to give some TRULY objective advice to the original poster, jwbloodline who, in most ex-JWs' opinions is unfortunately still a JW.

  Brad
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  Big Tex

  I have all the answers but you choose to be in the dark still.

  Indeed. Please enlighten me, as I am most anxious to hear your wisdom. Do you mean "all the answers" as in those provided by Jehovah's Witnesses?

  15 years ago I was told by 2 different bodies of elders, 3 circuit overseers and in a letter from the Society that I needed 2 eyewitnesses to the rapes inflicted upon me by my father, my mother and their friends.

  When I produced my paternal grandmother and an aunt, I was told their testimony was invalid because (1) they did not stand there and watch my 4 year old self being brutalized, and (2) they were not Jehovah's Witnesses, therefore anything they say must be a lie.

  A cirucuit overseer sat in my living room and said unless I "shut up" he would see to it personally that I was disfellowshiped, i.e. dead before God.

  And these are "answers"? This is The Truth? Tell me please again and again.

  Do you realize how evil, not wrong, not in error, but evil this rule is? Do you understand that for a child to be believed in this organization, two adults must stand and literally watch this child being raped, must listen to their screams for help, and do nothing. For if they interfered, and acted liked moral human beings, there would be no penetration, and therefore no rape.

  And somehow these same two adults who have witnessed this horror, stood by and done nothing, are somehow more honorable, and more believable, people than the child himself/herself? Somehow their testimony carries more weight than the physical damage caused, (by the way, how does a child get STDs?). You do understand that in the real world, this, wicked world controlled by Satan, these same two adults would be charged with a crime.

  I have seen enough of arrogant, judgmental hypocrites such as you to last a lifetime. Smug, simplistic answers to complex problems are not something I ever want to be a part of again. And if God is anything like you, then I have no problem being killed at Armageddon. I couldn't imagine a worse hell than living in a world populated by billions of people with your attitude.
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  Quotes

  Darn, Running man beat me to it:
  
  

  CHESS

  
  
  http://quotes.watchtower.ca/chess.htm
  
  I can tell you from experience that the chess club in Middle School was filled with some of the toughest, most violent thugs the world has ever known. ;)
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Check, and Mate" class
  http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
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  formerout

  Big Tex,

  Sorry to hear about the trauma you suffered at the hands of your family. From the posts you make, it seems like you have recovered well from incidents that children should never have to experience. Your anger is certainly justified due to the lack of help these elders should have given you.

  I'm curious to see if BroBennett will have the balls to make a comment on it.

  Brad
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  AK - Jeff

  How would you help this Bible based conscience kind of person with the question of what sports are considered violent and forbidden by Jehovah?, you don't seem real eager to help since no answer was given. But, Jeff... you are only interested in debating with me since I have all the answers but you choose to be in the dark still. I have been on this forum before so I am not fresh meat and will not be ashamed to prove what I know is right. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things just like there is a right way and a wrong way to play sports.

  brobennett-

  I read all your comments and I did not see a single Bible quote that proves what Jehovah likes or does not in the area of sports - I would tend to believe that Jehovah has better things to be concerned about than sports - all of your comments are in support of watchtower dogma - and that is not the same thing - although you have been taught that it is - I did not attack you - if you read my quotes - I attacked your thinking and it's obvious origins with a God-usurping organization that seeks to control with legalism and forgets to allow conscience to guide anyone -

  Take exception with it if u will, my friend, but Jehovah just does not make all these matters black and white as you would like to.

  As to judging - I leave that to my Master Jesus. I judge not you, but your errant views that subs wt quotes for the hold word of Jehovah.

  Jeff
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  BroBennett

  Big Tex,

  I am not saying I have all the answers just because I am of the JW faith, I am saying that all the answers are in the Bible and should be taken together like a puzzle. Only the right heart condition will understand what it means, since that is what kind of people should have it, so that friends of God can live and be kept alive, since God wants all of his creation to live except those who have loved badness.

  Satan said Eve would become like God knowing good and bad... But Satan forgot to tell the first couple that they would have to sin and they will become less and less like God. If more and more people know that a certain person is doing bad... then the truth will be opened to all over time. But the problem with these molestation crimes is that the child knows the molester, and the child is told to keep quiet. This crime is then harder to solve and seems less of a threat to society since it is so hard to detect. At least with Jehovahs Witnesses there are many materials written to try and prevent such a crime. If just one person knows that this is happening, there is less of a chance it will happen again, no matter what faith they are in. Don't forget that Satan attacks children since they are less experienced. This is so true with teenagers as well. There are more and more babysitters needed than ever before since one income is no longer enough to raise a family.

  Jeff,

  Look up Luke 10:16... it is not from the Watchtower.

  Also look up these...

  We can say of this ?second Adam,? Jesus Christ, that he, too, was like his Father in heaven. (Heb. 1:3) "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." (Col. 1:15) Christians are invited to walk worthily of Jehovah to the end of fully pleasing him. (Col. 1:10) So those who want to be like Jehovah God would be looking to Christ Jesus as their example so as to be walking in his footsteps.

  So if Jesus was not into self defence with using take down moves, why should we be so inclined to think of God wanting us to play this sport?

  Formerout (Brad),

  I only saw one poster before me that seems involved with giving some advice, then two others have shown up after I complained that no one else but me has shown good proof with reasons to stay away from the sport. I have gone to the meek scripture, and showed everyone that the Christ would not partake of the sport. Can anyone picture Jesus practicing the sport?
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  Badger

  I am not saying I have all the answers just because I am of the JW faith, I am saying that all the answers are in the Bible and should be taken together like a puzzle.

  ...using the Watchtower as a box top.

  Only the right heart condition will understand what it means, since that is what kind of people should have it, so that friends of God can live and be kept alive, since God wants all of his creation to live except those who have loved badness.

  Right heart condition : Whatever Brooklyn says

  those/loved badness: People who read/meditate on the word themsleves.

  But the problem with these molestation crimes is that the child knows the molester, and the child is told to keep quiet. This crime is then harder to solve and seems less of a threat to society since it is so hard to detect. At least with Jehovahs Witnesses there are many materials written to try and prevent such a crime.

  ...and a lot written to protect the criminal, too...

  If just one person knows that this is happening, there is less of a chance it will happen again, no matter what faith they are in.

  NO no no no...It must be an EYEWITNESS, two of them. If one person knows it's happening, they better shut their cake hole, because they'll get run out of the congregation faster than you can say "Whistleblower"

  Don't forget that Satan attacks children since they are less experienced. This is so true with teenagers as well. There are more and more babysitters needed than ever before since one income is no longer enough to raise a family.

  To paraphrase the NRA: Satan doesn't molest children...people do.

  So if Jesus was not into self defence with using take down moves, why should we be so inclined to think of God wanting us to play this sport?

  ...Apparently Jacob was familiar enough with takedown moves to successfully wrestle and angel to a draw, according to Genesis...
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  formerout

  BroBennett,

  Big Tex spoke of horrific things that happened to him. I'll forget about going into detail about how screwy your opinion is on how much the JW's "prevent" these actions. Others here are more adept at it (and besides I have to go play hockey, if that's OK with you?.. lol).

  But one of your comments especially perturbed me:

  Don't forget that Satan attacks children since they are less experienced. This is so true with teenagers as well.

  This comment makes me want to puke. Instead of actually doing anything to comfort him or explain how you take steps personally to prevent these terrible things from happening, you blame it on Satan. That is one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever heard. These acts are COMPLETELY beyond any responsibility of a child. Regardless of our difference of opinion on the existence of Satan, how can you ever suggest that something so horrific be blamed on Satan.

  It's this sort of logic that people use to show how you not only protect but also BREED paedophiles. Your religion disgusts me.

  Brad