What sports are considered violent and forbidden by Jehovah?

by jwbloodline 67 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Odrade
    Odrade

    JWB, there are those who would argue that the roots of jiujitsu are no more false religion than any other. In fact the eastern philosophies (religions) often have a far more holistic take on living and being than so-called Christian.

    Also, I think this statement is telling:

    Satan has used almost every method to keep me in the world.

    I've heard this before, hell, I've used it. But I've come to the conclusion that this particular statement is a way of absolving ourselves of responsibility for our actions. The fact is, you gang-banged cause you chose to, and you got something out of it that you wanted at the time. NOT because Satan tempted you.

    Blaming Satan for poor decisions is either someone else's way of scaring you into changing your ways, or your own way of not being totally responsible for bad decisions. Right now, while you are still studying, you have an opportunity to make a wise decision. BroBennet has given you his take on the matter, and others here have shown you quotes from the magazines about the counsel against sports.

    You know, deep down, that even though the Bible truly has nothing specific to say about martial arts/self-defense training, if you are in a congregation that's not extremely liberal, at some point you will be "encouraged" to stop your training, or be forced to practice in secret. What a shame. I suspect the jiujitsu and learning to control your Qi is extremely beneficial to you, perhaps much more so than your bible studies. You are learning to be responsible for your own body and your own space, you, no one else. Excellent training and I hope you keep it up. But most JWs will look down on martial arts training. If you should decide one day to get baptized, you will likely have to make a choice.

    BroBennett, you made the statement that Jehovah would not approve of a sport (such as wrestling) that forces someone into submission. Yet, the WTS interpretation of the scriptures forces over 3 million women into submission. What do you think of that?

    Odrade

  • BroBennett
    BroBennett

    This is for my brother Bloodline. I have always taken these kinds of articles seriously, I hope you have time to read it. I am happy to use this site to help, I am glad you have found my posts uplifting..

    To the rest of the posters, I will get back to you all as soon as I can.

    From the 1995 Awake Young People Ask...Should I learn Self Defence?

    Young

    People Ask . . .

    Should

    I Learn Self-Defense?

    "There?s this really bad gang in school," says Jesse. "If they see you in the hallway and want your sneakers, jacket, or even your pants, they take them. If you report it, they?ll get you again."

    COPING with violence has become a way of life for many youths. Said the magazine USA Today: "About one of every five high school students carries a firearm, knife, razor, club, or other weapon on a regular basis. Many carry them to school." A teenage boy named Jairo knows this firsthand. "Our school was the first [in New York City] to have metal detectors," he says, "but that doesn?t stop the kids from having knives and guns. I don?t know how they get them in, but they do."

    Understandably, the threat of being assaulted has many youths thinking about how they can protect themselves. Young Lola observes: "After a girl from my school was stabbed to death for her earrings, they began teaching self-defense courses in school. Almost everyone signed up." Other youths have resorted to carrying chemical sprays and other weapons. The question is, Do self-defense methods really protect you?

    The

    Martial Arts

    They show it on TV all the time?martial arts experts flipping through the air, kicking and punching with the grace of a dancer. Within seconds the bad guys lie motionless on the ground. Amazing! The martial arts seem like the ultimate protection. In reality, though, life isn?t like the movies. A man with years of experience in karate said: "It takes just a bullet. If a person at a distance has a gun, you don?t stand a chance. If you?re too closed in without any room for movement, it?s not really that great either."

    Realize, too, that to become proficient in the martial arts, one must spend a lot of money and undergo years of vigorous training. And unless you stay in training, your ability to perform those fancy moves can get dangerously rusty in no time at all. The same can be said about other forms of self-defense, such as boxing. Besides, having a reputation for knowing how to fight is likely to attract unwanted attention. Troublemakers may decide to take you on as a challenge.

    There is a greater danger, however, in learning the martial arts. The Economist magazine recently reported: "Most, if not all, of the martial arts are inextricably linked to the three main East Asian religions, Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism." Another source adds: "Everything done in karate?every movement, every feeling?can be traced to some principle of Zen." Zen is a sect of Buddhism that emphasizes religious meditation. These religious roots pose a serious problem for Christians in view of the Bible?s words at 2 Corinthians 6:17: "?Therefore get out from among [false worshipers], and separate yourselves,? says Jehovah, ?and quit touching the unclean thing.?"

    Use

    of Weapons

    What, though, about packing a gun or a knife? Doing so may indeed make you feel confident. But that confidence could prove fatal if you started taking unnecessary risks or courting trouble. Warns the Bible: "As for the one searching for bad, it will come upon him." (Proverbs 11:27) And if uninvited trouble comes your way, pulling out a weapon is sure to escalate the conflict. You could get killed?or end up killing someone else. How would God, the Source of life, view your actions if you could have avoided using violence??Psalm 11:5; 36:9.

    True, some do not really intend to use lethal force. They may say they carry a weapon just to scare off harassers. But says Health magazine: "Firearms instructors agree: Don?t get a gun if you aren?t prepared to use it. Waving a firearm around as a bluff can scare off some assailants, but will only enrage others."

    What about "safer" weapons, such as chemical sprays? Besides the fact that they are illegal in some places, these weapons have serious drawbacks. Instead of immobilizing a drug-crazed attacker, they may only succeed in infuriating him. It is even possible that the wind might blow the chemical into your face rather than the attacker?s?assuming you get the spray out in the first place. Seeing you rummaging through your pockets or purse, the assailant may assume you are reaching for a gun and decide to take some aggressive action of his own. One police detective thus comments: "There is no guarantee that mace [a chemical spray], or any other weapon, will work. Or that you will have it out in time. Weapons never help a situation. People put too much faith in them."

    Weapons?The Godly View

    The threat of violence was real back in Jesus? day. One of his most famous parables, commonly called the parable of the Good Samaritan, related an incident involving violent robbery. (Luke 10:30-35) When Jesus asked his disciples to equip themselves with swords, it was not for protection. In fact, it led to his stating the principle: "All those who take the sword will perish by the sword."?Matthew 26:51, 52; Luke 22:36-38.

    True Christians, therefore, do not arm themselves so as to harm their fellowman. (Compare Isaiah 2:4.) They follow the Bible?s advice at Romans 12:18: "If possible, as far as it depends upon you, be peaceable with all men." Does this mean being defenseless? Not at all!

    Wisdom?Better Than Weapons

    In an age when there seems to be a gadget for everything, it may surprise you to know that you can have at your disposal a means of defense that is far more effective than any man-made device. At Ecclesiastes 9:18, we read: "Wisdom is better than implements for fighting." This wisdom is more than what some call "street smarts." It is the application of Bible principles, and it can often help you to avoid violent situations in the first place.

    Jairo, for example, who earlier described his violent school, steers clear of trouble by applying the Bible?s words at 1 Thessalonians 4:11: "Make it your aim to live quietly and to mind your own business." Says Jairo: "If you know there?s going to be a fight, you have to mind your own business and go home. Some hang around, and that?s when they get into trouble."

    "Letting everyone know I?m one of Jehovah?s Witnesses is my best protection," states young Lola. "People leave me alone since they know I?m not going to be a threat to them." "It?s more than just saying you?re a Witness," adds Eliu. "They should see that you?re different." Christians must be "no part of the world." (John 15:19) But be careful not to project a superior attitude. (Proverbs 11:2) One youth put it this way: "Don?t walk down the hallways as if you own the place." This could trigger resentment. Relates a Christian youth named Luchy: "I?m friendly, and I talk to my classmates; but I simply don?t act like them."

    How you dress is also important. "I?m careful not to wear things that attract attention," says one youth. "I figure I don?t have to wear the most expensive brands to look good." Following the Bible?s counsel to dress modestly may help you to keep a low profile and avoid trouble.?1 Timothy 2:9.

    If You Are Confronted With Violence

    What, though, if in spite of your efforts to stay out of harm?s way, you are threatened with violence? First, try to apply the principle at Proverbs 15:1: "An answer, when mild, turns away rage, but a word causing pain makes anger to come up." Young Eliu did so when he was in school. He says: "Sometimes it?s just a matter of not taking aggressive statements so seriously. In a lot of cases, it?s how you respond that causes the trouble." By refusing to "return evil for evil," you may be able to keep a situation from getting out of hand.?Romans 12:17.

    When diplomacy fails, however, you must take steps to protect yourself. If a group of youths demand that you give them your sneakers or some prized possessions, give them up! Your life is far more precious than the things you possess. (Luke 12:15) If violence seems imminent, walk away?better yet, run away! "Before the quarrel has burst forth, take your leave," says Proverbs 17:14. (Compare Luke 4:29, 30; John 8:59.) If escape is impossible, you may have no choice but to ward off violence as best you can. Afterward, be sure to let your parents know what happened. Perhaps they can help out in some way.

    Just as the Bible prophesied, we live in violent times. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) But toting a gun or learning karate kicks will not make you any safer. Be cautious. Use godly wisdom when faced with trouble. And above all, have faith and trust in Jehovah. Like the psalmist, you can confidently pray: "From the man of violence you will deliver me."?Psalm 18:48.

  • Odrade
    Odrade

    See, JWB? It's already starting...

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    BroBennett, you made the statement that Jehovah would not approve of a sport (such as wrestling) that forces someone into submission

    Jehovah is a big enough person that if he felt that strong he would tell mankind. I would not think he would rely on individuals to interpret his thoughts or feelings on such an important matter.

  • avishai
    avishai
    That is where you depend on your taxes, which all God fearing people pay. Call 911 ever?

    I LOVE THIS LOGIC!!!!

    Don't people realize that the cops only arrive AFTER you've been victimized? It's not like they actually live with you. It's SOOOO ridiculous. And, no, Jehovah won't protect you if he does'nt protect babies born horribly deformed, without limbs, eyes, etc. Babies who are in constant pain. If he allows this, allows child rape, etc., especially by his "one true religion" he's not gonna protect my dumb ass. Neither are the cops.

  • lonelysheep
    lonelysheep

    Anything that means you're not spending time in service or at meetings.

    Track and college!

    All competitions are violent from what I've been coerced to believe.

    FYI-If you're studying now and wish to continue to do so, you ought to know this is one website where you're forbidden by "jehovah's organization" to visit and still be considered 'on the proper spiritual path, and still showing love for jehovah'. I was a bible student who woke up and could see, deciding to stay away from it and not get in any further.

    FYI-2 - I highly recommend you buy the book I'm currently reading called Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz. If you don't read every chapter, I suggest you read chapter 3, entitled Governing Body.

  • avishai
    avishai

    PS. This is a god that has his people bash babies heads against rocks so HIS people can have their land. Who, according to your religion wants to wipe out 99.999% of the population in a huge destruction of most people, and according to the bible has already done something similar in the flood. And your saying he does'nt want us to playfootball or Chess? Hahahhahahahahah.

  • 144001
    144001
    There is a greater danger, however, in learning the martial arts. The Economist magazine recently reported: "Most, if not all, of the martial arts are inextricably linked to the three main East Asian religions, Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism." Another source adds: "Everything done in karate?every movement, every feeling?can be traced to some principle of Zen." Zen is a sect of Buddhism that emphasizes religious meditation. These religious roots pose a serious problem for Christians in view of the Bible?s words at 2 Corinthians 6:17: "?Therefore get out from among [false worshipers], and separate yourselves,? says Jehovah, ?and quit touching the unclean thing.?"

    BroBennett:

    Do you know anything about zen, or are you just quoting the biased, mindless bibble babble of the Watchtower? Can you define the "religious meditation" that is apparently so evil to you? Meditation is a form of deep concentration and reflection. Is it wrong to concentrate and reflect upon one's beliefs? I guess so, unless the beliefs are those that conform with the edicts of the corporate cult of the Watchtower. Zen is not a religion, it is a philosophy. No gods are worshipped, notwithstanding the lies of the Watchtower. Maybe you should open a book that isn't published by the Watchtower corporations for a change. You might find that the corporation that enslaves your mind is interested purely in its own financial well being, and your interests are irrelevant to those corporations. I hope that you and others similarly situated will some day break the grip of the corporate cult that enslaves your mind in mental bondage. Good luck to you, you're going to need it.

  • BroBennett
    BroBennett

    Mr.Vanzie was able to answer my email question and has used Bible scriptures to explain why he still boxes... and why he wishes to stop.

    Dear George, Dave Payne kindly allowed me to personally answer your very pertinent question as to why,being a Jehovah's Witness ,i am allowed to box.... Myself & my family have been studying now for close to a year now,and have made many,many big changes in order to do the will of Jehovah God,as stated in his word,The Bible.Some changes are conscience motivated,where a person may have to look into the depths of his heart in order to make the changes,whilst others are easier to make,as they are clearly stated as wrong in the bible. Jehovah is a reasonable God,& knows that some changes are too big to make without having an alternative route,and he doesn't expect a man to not provide for his family without other means of support,which is where prayer comes in. Psalm 11;5 clearly states, 'jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,and anyone loving violence his soul certainly hates'. This was the scripture that told me that my violent career was wrong in the eyes of Jehovah,yet 1 Timothy 5;8 clearly states,'Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own,and especially for those who are members of his household,he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith'. I know what decisions i must make,having taken all of this into consideration,and with constant prayer,my answers are slowly being made manifest. I have still to be baptized,therefore have not 100% dedicated myself to Jehovah and the truth,but i am very close.I do still have ambitions as a Boxer,hence me now campaigning at Light-Welterweight.I haven't many miles on the clock,having had a relatively 'easy' career,(no blood & guts wars). I am 30,and may decide to fully give myself to Jehovah in a few years,until then,i have much to study,and much to meditate on.The bible takes a year to read if you read 2 chapters a day! Jehovah is slowly putting my alternative career into action as i type this e-mail to you. Hope this answers your question George, Yours sincerely, Bobby Vanzie.

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    I'm late to this thread, but wanted to comment on Brobennet's comment a while back:

    ...Jesus was not into self defence

    Because of his higher calling, he did not concern himself with many aspects of life that others must. He did not concern himself with having a place to sleep or what to eat the next day. Should we advocate that we follow PART of Jesus' lifestyle, but ignore other parts? But even though he was not "into self defense", did he make a rule that it was wrong for others to prepare themselves in that regard?

    On the night of his betrayal, knowing that he would soon be parted from his disciples, he told them,

    And he said to them, "When I sent you out without purse and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" And they said, "No, nothing." And he said to them, "But now, let him who has a purse take it along, likewise also a bag, and let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one." (Luke 22:35, 36)

    A certain kind of sword (forgot the name) was commonly used by travellers to protect them from robbers, etc., and this is what Jesus referred to. This was good counsel for the tough road that the disciples would face in the time ahead. So no, in this respect, I do not see any Biblical principle against preparing to defend yourself. It gets down to what's in your heart and your motivations when determining whether or not your participation in a particular activity will take on a sinful aspect. Only you and Jehovah can truly know your own heart, not judging bystanders or blanket rulemakers.

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