The Global Flood

by coldfish 290 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    a Christian

    "Self- idolatry"? Hardly. I am simply posting some of my personal understandings and opinions on an Internet discussion board, while doing the best I can to show respect for the understandings and opinions of others. And in the process sometimes learning from others. Simply because I do not immediately change one of my beliefs when I find that you disagree with it does not make me a "self-idolater" any more than you holding onto one of your beliefs after finding I disagree with it makes you one.

    You haven't shown 'respect for the understandings and opinions' of others!

    Most people think your 'signs' are acts of self-aggrandising imagination that only work if you assume they will before hand and stretch things to fit.

    If you respected others "understandings and opinions" you would have done something to defend yourself other than just REPEAT what you have basically been saying from the beginning.

    Even when your claims are shown to be careless, imprecise and sloppy, no modification in your theory takes place; you just make-up reasons why it doesn't need to be precise. That is again, not a great way of showing respect to others; do you think we are stupid or something?

    If you have learnt anything from others it is hard to see that in any modifications you have made to your theory (other than you allowing yourself to decide how approximate something needs to be to count as exact).

    Just as with most self-proclaimed members of any elect, it ends up being about you and your opinions. You want proof?

    You haven't on one occasion responded to any comments I've made about how your beliefs diminish god and belittle him. Rather than glorying god, you try and prove you are right.

    Mene mene tekel parsin...

  • one
    one

    A Cristian

    You wrote: I find that even if such "scientific" data is true it does not answer a lot of other challenging questions. Agreed.

    What cristians are supposed to do about it?

    Three separate non-connected end time events are here referred to. You want to connect the first two. However, I believe the proper connection is between the second two

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    so only those who see the "sign" will survive, right? Very few indeed

    what is that mourn about?, what is the cause?

    However, we do well to remember that Jesus did not speak Greek.

    I am not sure about that but it brings another issue, this thread may never end,

    so today anyone who wants to KNOW god or jesus and stablish a personal relationship with him/them have to be an historian, mathematician, like science and no less... a languistic expert.

    Tell that to Amazon indians and hungry africans. Otherwise the poor african guy need to RELAY and trust the guy who wrote the 4, 40 400 4000 theory, if the piece of paper ever gets on his hand, could read and understand it.

    to me such verse about the sign is just that there would be an indication, a car is approaching, you hear a peculiar noise or a horn, quickly then you confirm seing the real thing. Like i see dark clouds and then the rain. An obvious sign that most people choose to ignore, obviously the 4, 40 400 relationship is not so obvious.

    Again, i take you say or imply that the sign is to be seen only by those who will survive.

    then 99.999 percent are blind.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    You know what really grabs my ass,,and pisses me off.

    Is when a poster makes these huge post that force you to sift through tons of f***ing empty space to read his short one or two little sentence comment. Get a life! I seldom read those type of posts the ratio is perhaps 1 out of 10.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    Abaddon:

    where is hooberus anyway?

    Researching dendrochronology?

    Heh, I have this image now of him with a huge cross-section of tree-trunk, painstakingly counting all the rings, comparing the numbers, scratching his head, logging on to answersingenesis.org, frowning and then starting to count all the rings again. He could be a while.

    Very funny, and in some cases true. But let us not forget that a Christian's posturing is neither a result of his claimed Christianity, or an indication of Christianity. There's loads of Christians who don't make the ridiculous claims that attract the ridicule they deserve.

    That's true, of course. I was specifically ridiculing the ridiculous claims of a Christian. It was he who took this as an attack against Christianity as a whole - equivalent to first-century martyrdom, no less!

    As agnostics/atheists/humanists/individuals we are no more characterised by UFO nuts, who happen not to believe in god and think we evolved, than normal Christians are by their loony fringe.

    True again, and I don't mind normal Christians (or even some "unorthodox" ones) for the most part. They're wrong, of course, but that's no big deal. And to be fair, people like a Christian and Brownboy probably have more in common with David Icke and his reptilian overlords than with your average Christian.

    Do you smoke? As in weed?

    Yeah, from time to time. Usually from the time I finish work to the time I go to bed. (Probably not as strong as what some people on this thread are smoking though)

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Funky

    Heh, I have this image now of him with a huge cross-section of tree-trunk, painstakingly counting all the rings, comparing the numbers, scratching his head, logging on to answersingenesis.org, frowning and then starting to count all the rings again. He could be a while.

    *snort*

    Oh, no, he's done the research but won't post it because I'm a sarcy bastard. I can't imagine that he would lie to me.

    Another thing a Christian and hooberus have in common (they're not the same person in any way, not saying that) is what Frankie points out; the huge expances of white post.

    What is it with monomaniacs and formating errors?

    Re. pot. Thought so; gays have gaydar, I have potdar. Being 'legal' and all over here does mean quality is, er, high. You get used to going into a coffeeshop and having at least dozen choices of resin and grass. Let me know if you ever get to Holland.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Abaddon,

    Your so lucky, in the US (cali) they have some rather good quality. I wish I could order Ibogain from Holland but they won't ship it to the US,,If only I live in Canada.

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    I normally smoke northern lights. Indicas make me chill, sativas make me far too mentally lucid to relax. Brain on overdrive; great for Glasters (big festival) as they don't make me 'mong out' ('become utterly immobile and possibly semi-comatose') the way I can with indica.

    I never had the opportunity to experience the difference in England! Grass was (five years ago) still far less available than resins. It was normally described as 'skunk', and was way stronger than the resins that were common then.

    Now resins is something that most Americans don't know shit about, as you guys mosty have herbal cannabis. At one point when I lived in the UK it was the only stuff you could get cheaply enough and regulary enough to be a staple.

    Maybe we should start a thread on this? [added http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/15/82641/1.ashx already done] "Rule of the thread" could be that you could only post when you were stoned and that there was no such things as 'off topic'.

  • a Christian
    a Christian

    Toreador, You wrote: The whole problem is that these interpretations can be wrong for our whole lifetime and many more years before realizing these professional interpreters realize they were wrong. People can spend their whole lives believing in a fantasy. Look at C. T. Russel as an example of just one of many who was big into date setting and date interpretation. His clap trap (new word for me) , is still destroying peoples lives to this day. I believed it, so did many others and many still do. I meant that I trust people who read Hebrew and Greek to translate the original text of the Bible into English. I do not trust men to tell me how the English text should be understood. As Russell and others like him have demonstrated, we should never rely too much on the opinions of others when it comes to deciding how the Bible should be understood. As we should all by now well know, doing so can be very dangerous. You wrote: If God 'really' wanted us 'all' to gain salvation, he has, IMO, a very messy way of getting his message across. The record does not paint a very favorable picture of a God of order. God's message to all of us today is a very simple one. Christ died for us. The rest in window dressing. Those who believe that Christ died in our place and then ask God to forgive their sins and begin doing their best to live as a follower of Christ will be given eternal life by God. Those who don't risk eternal condemnation. That is not to say that all who don't will be eternally condemned. Billions of people have lived their entire lives without hearing the Gospel message. Many who have heard the Gospel and have not responded to it may have failed to do so for a very good reason, a reason which God may fully understand on Judgment Day. Maybe you think that "a God of order" who is "a loving and caring God" would have fully controlled all of mankind's affairs from the very beginning, preventing all pain, suffering, death and injustice. Or maybe you think that "a God of order" who is "a loving and caring God" would have made sure that every human that has ever lived was from birth given a complete, very easy to understand, instruction book from God, telling them exactly what God demanded from them in order to be given eternal life. Obviously God has not done those things. I believe God has chosen for good reasons, up until now, to intervene very little in human affairs. For one thing, if God had completely controlled all of our affairs, protected us from all harm, and given everyone a complete instruction book, many of us would have complained saying God was giving them no freedom to do things their way. Many would have almost certainly said, "We don't need you. Leave us alone. We can make it just fine on our own." Adam and Eve said essentially the same thing. But outside the paradise of God they found hard times, a very harsh environment, sickness, and death. Just as every one of us today, whom God has permitted to go his own way, eventually finds. When God does intervene in human affairs in a very big way, when Christ returns, none of us will ever be able to say again, "We don't need God's help. We can do just fine on our own." For if anyone ever does, God will have all of human history behind us to prove him wrong. One,

    You wrote: So only those who see the "sign" will survive, right? I never said that. Very few personally saw "the sign of Jonah", Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, before God brought Judgment on the Jewish nation at the hand of Roman armies in the first century. You asked: what is that mourn about?, what is the cause? People who have long rejected Christ, including many who will be persecuting Christians just prior to Christ's return, will no doubt mourn when they see Him coming to judge them harshly.

    You wrote: so today anyone who wants to KNOW God or Jesus and establish a personal relationship with him/them have to be an historian, mathematician, like science and no less... a linguistic expert. Of course not. As I pointed out earlier, billions of Christians have managed to come to know God and have a strong relationship with Christ without ever understanding what I believe are signs of Christ "in the sun, moon and stars." However, Christians who are able and willing to spend some time studying the Bible, history and science can come to know God even better. This, of course, has always been true.

    You wrote: Tell that to Amazon indians and hungry africans. Otherwise the poor african guy need to RELAY and trust the guy who wrote the 4, 40 400 4000 theory, if the piece of paper ever gets on his hand, could read and understand it. Obviously, at this time, some people on this earth are better off than others in many ways. Fortunately, "Amazon indians" ... "hungry africans" ... and "poor african guy[s]" do not need to understand "the 4, 40, 400, 4000 theory" to be judged worthy of eternal life by God. You wrote: To me such verse about the sign is just that there would be an indication, a car is approaching, you hear a peculiar noise or a horn, quickly then you confirm seeing the real thing. Like I see dark clouds and then the rain. An obvious sign that most people choose to ignore, obviously the 4, 40 400 relationship is not so obvious. If the "sign" will be as "obvious" as you say it will be, why will most people ignore it? Few people ignore a horn of an approaching car. You wrote: Again, I take you say or imply that the sign is to be seen only by those who will survive. Only by some of those who survive.

    You wrote: then 99.999 percent are blind [to this sign]. That may well be.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Abaddon,

    I'm very partial to pure sativas more in your head thinking type of high. We mostly have indica here because much easier to grow,,and yeilds more.

    I started some some pure sativa from Malawi (Malawi Gold), The Fire dept came for their yearly inspection and my grow room door was open they seen the plants(young no stink yet), they didn't say anything about it but I got nervous and shut down my little garden(ten plants from seeds).

    Hey starting a stoned thread may work,, but I think it will die very shortly,,but it may be worth a try.

  • a Christian
    a Christian

    Abaddon,

    You asked: Do you think we are stupid or something?

    No, not at all. However, judging from all of your latest banter, it appears you may have been totally stoned most of the time you have been reading and responding to posts in this thread.

    That may explain a few things.

    Just kidding ! Enjoy your new thread. And have a happy New Year.

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