a Christian
As I think Abaddon's post makes plain, regardless of how well anyone here may show that the scriptures may actually speak in harmony with proven scientific realities, it is unlikely that the scriptures or the one defending them will ever be very much respected on this forum.
You little pip-squeak. You think my post failed to show respect to you? I regard that as nothing more than a lie. I didn't even refer to you or your post directly. And, to make it worse, having lied about me, you lie about yourself; "I have NOT personally attacked or insulted you or anyone else here".
Of course, having lied about what I said I now, justifiably, have no respect for you what-so-ever. You reap, you sow. Judge a tree by its fruits.
As to showing respect for the scriptures, do you mind leaving your presuppositions at the door?
WHY is the Bible worthy of respect? When answering please show how the Bible stands-out from other claimed Holy Books so we can be sure you are presenting FACTS as to why the Bible is worthy of respect (over-and-above other 'Holy' books), as distinct from stating your OPINION.
You essentailly make-up bits that are not in the Bible ("I believe Adam and Eve were two real people created by God and placed in a garden which was located not too far from where other people were already then living."), that you have no proof for, to make-up for the non-scientific nature of the text.
You do this to allow you to retain belief in the Bible, and despite the closing statement in Revelation thats states nothing should be added to the scriptures.
You seem to be unaware that if you have to make-up bits to make the text make scientific sense in the Creation account, and the Flood account, the Babel account etc., you are not "show[ing] that the scriptures may actually speak in harmony with proven scientific realities" "well" (your own modest self-assesment). You are just showing you have an inventive imagination and an agenda of Biblical apologism.
It really is that simple.
At least you actually address the fundamental point I was making;
I admit that the Bible itself is largely to blame. For, if God did inspire the writing of the Bible as I believe He did,
I see no one contending that an inspired creation account could not have encoded real scientific knowledge that would 'prove' inspiration in the modern world whilst remaining comprehensible to those who authored it thousands of years ago.
What I see is you AGAIN, making something up to explian the Bible's deficiency;
... He clearly did so in a way that would permit many to fail to recognize its supernatural inspiration. Why is that? It could be that God always provides just enough evidence to convince those who are willing to believe and never enough to convince those who prefer not to believe.
See? YOU MAKE STUFF UP. Either stop making stuff-up or stop pretending to have a scientific argument. The two activities are NOT compatable.
All you're doing is validating the truth of what I said;
"One can come up with various arguments as to why god might not want to make his book 'proof', but they are all ineffable."
If god is love and is desirous that all attain salvation, why would he hide the truth in his book? Why would god HIDE the truth from beings he is meant to love? You making stuff up creates more questions than you believe your fantasies answer.
gumby
Do you guys really fricken believe a loving god would have his word written so hidden that he wants people to dig for it. Screw him them! Tell that to third world countries who don't have all the fricken bible tools you need to dissect gods word!
According to you freakin einsteins, lower class people are screwed as for finding bible truths unless they hapen to stumble onto guys like you who spend countless hours trying to figure shit out.
Anyone who believes that thousands or millions of people were WORTHY of death by their dad because they were such gross sinners who would not listen to a loner old man needs to have their fricken head examined.
Nice one gumby. I often feel such claims result in worship, not of god, but of a human's opinion. It's nothing more or less than idolatry.
I also like to think of this as the "Magic Christian Secret Decoder Ring Syndrome".
Us poor scmucks never got one, but other people, like presumably a Christian, can see the 'truth'. Or rather they can STATE the 'truth'.
Even though they claim they KNOW what the scriptures really mean, theycannot PROVE it to others. They effectively claim to have a insight into the mind of god. CLAIM, not PROVE.
Frankly it is such sicknening levels of self-worship that puts me off many religonists; each wants THEIR group's opinion or individual opinion believed in, although NONE can show their opinion to be TRUTH.
And then, at the end of it, it is us poor unenlightened onces who are at fault; we are "those who prefer not to believe".
Just as the JW's dispense with the need to come up with REAL ANSWERS to the questions of those with opposing views by putting the blame on THEM for having the wrong mental condition to 'understand the truth', so do sufferers of the "Magic Christian Secret Decoder Ring Syndrome" do exactly the same thing.
They accuse those who don't agree with THEM for having a mental condition that prevents it. It's NEVER because they are making stuff up; owners of "Magic Christian Secret Decoder Rings" are NEVER wrong.
Yet, this is unspeakable gall and slander, as THEY HAVEN'T PROVED A THING.
All they have done is make-up extra bits to try and make the Bible 'work'...
