I Need Some Serious Help Please !!!!!!

by Peterpanippleskin 101 Replies latest jw friends

  • Xena
    Xena

    formerout,

    I'm sure flower was just being blunt but honest...kind of like fleaman when he told women with eating disorders that they were full of hot air and had watched "Bridget Jones" one to many times...oh and that they should try putting a lock on the fridge. You didn't appear to have a problem with that, so get off your high horse.

    Peter I'm sorry for your brother's problem. But is it just that, your brother's problem. I don't see how much you can help him till he decides to help himself. I have watched my sister be verbally and physically abused by two different JW men and she basically considered herself a martyr, it's a sick JW mentality. I do appreciate your wanting to find out more so you can better understand the situation though. You might try the Quotes website to do some research on your own...http://quotes.watchtower.ca/order-qjwcomcd.htm

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    Flower,

    what goes around comes around:; if u judge without mercy, u will receive none yourself. He is not stupid, he is desperate.

    I see no reason for any of the harshness shown to peter, he came on the board asking for help and a bunch of self appointed judges decided he was a troll. Really, when is ever approprite to be harsh? Even if he had been a troll, what is the point?

  • formerout
    formerout

    Xena,

    I am firmly planted on the ground. No high horse anywhere in sight. I admitted that fleaman was short and terse when he gave his advice and he admitted it. I still don't think it was as nasty as Flower for example but I did say that he said it harshly. Please go back and read it if you think I am on a high horse.

    On top of that, why don't you encourage Flower to just own up to her actions instead of venting at me for your pre-conceived idea that I am not in agreement with you about fleaman. I was and am in a greement with you about his "fridge" comments. I also respect him for coming forward and recognizing his "error".

    Brad

  • Xena
    Xena
    I still don't think it was as nasty as Flower for example

    Well of course you don't, that wasn't your issue....this is. That was just as important and sensitive an issue to OTHER people as this one is to you. Think about it

  • Peterpanippleskin
    Peterpanippleskin

    Ok folks:

    Look, use whatever labels you need to help yourselves feel comfortable or superior. My IQ, if you understand IQ's, has absolutely nothing to do with being perfect or superior over anyone. I am a scientist and an inventor of new products with a few patents. I have the ability to "see" a product or invention in its completed form before it is even drawn onto paper for the first time. Some people can do math in their head as quickly as a calculator. Some people have great social skills. When I refered to my IQ, I was making a statement with regard to myself NOT for my IQ, in itself. I was making a statement in comparison to my ability to do some things greatly, while feeling a failure to help my brother to escape something that I have never studied and know very little about. WHO, then, better to turn to than those who have been there, such as yourselves. Perhaps, as some of you have shown me, it was stupid of me to choose to come here, then. Certainly, there must be more to the english language than to ridicule if not that it is meant precicely to communicate. Regardless of anyone's interpretation that I am stupid, or that my brother or my family is stupid, or that what I choose to do or write on this website is stupid... I will take responsibility for my own actions and take the consequences, too, should my actions prove to be stupid.

    I am sorry that what I have written is so unbelievable. For example: Are you aware that his wife is nearly blind? She can hear very well and knows how to throw a bottle and knives in the direction iof his voice. Is it, then, understandable that she could easily sit inside of someone elses car that resembled her own car without knowing the difference? Perhaps, it is more clear to you now that you have chosen to disregard me as unbelievable and stupid for your own sake and comfort than to set aside your own bias' for the sake of listening while realizing that you can not possibly know everything about everyone or every situation, or even enough to reach a conclusion that I am a liar, a fake... or that I am simply "not worth caring about" or that you "don't care about me" or the situation I am asking help for. That is certainly fine with me. I do not need to know you personally to know you. I have read plenty. As for myself, I am comfortable with who I am and accept my own credibility regardless of the bias' of others.

    To be "Beaten down" for 22 years day after day, week after week, year after year... and to have such a strong group of people telling him that he MUST remain married to her or else he will be condemned, PLUS the "fact" that he will not be one of the 144,000 people welcomed into Heaven, but only remain on an earthly paradise... AFTER having already suffered years of abuse,,,,, He stayed in it because he believed that in the end it would pay off and be worth it, since "worldly things" do not matter. He stayed because of that reason... but he can now barely function as a result of the continuous abuse. That is not hard to understand.

    What IS difficult to understand is HOW do I persuade him in a covert manner to look at things differently without him realizing that I have been in contact with Apostates ? He will undoubtedly raise his defenses and thwart my efforts to lead him astray and free him (unknowingly) away from the insanity that he has become so closely related with. Stupid or not..... it is what it is and I am what I am.

    Being stupid is a relative and ambiguous state of being. Try using your current intelligence 10,000 years from now. Try to explain to George Washington what a microwave is and how it works. Unravel the mystery of Black Holes and Space Time through Quantum Physics so that mathematically your answers are accurate. WHAT is "stupid"?

  • formerout
    formerout

    Xena,

    I didn't say that the topic was any less important. I said that fleaman's written comments and tone were not as harsh as Flower's. Please don't keep taking offense about the eating disorder thread. I have some issues of my own about that one, even though I am a man.

    For argument's sake lets say both fleaman and Flower were both equally right and wrong in what they said. Fleaman showed some character and apologized. Flower has not. If/when she does I will give her the same credit.

    Brad

  • jwbot
    jwbot

    OY! Straying from the topic a bit... Well I am not sure how much you can help your brother...he KNOWS what he has to do and why he is not putting his and his daughters safety above local elders...I do not understand. And IQ has nothing to do with social/emotional/etc. knowledge and responsibility. I have a high-ish IQ (I dont like the idea of turning this into a "my penis/IQ is bigger pissing match so I will leave it at that) and I am socially retarded...let people walk all over me, and use me (to a point) and this is my problem to get over and has nothing to do with my IQ or even my GPA. Want to know my SAT score?

  • NewLight2
    NewLight2

    Pete:

    You might want to check out these web pages:

    Jehovah's Witnesses: A Critical Analysis

    The above page will give you an over-view of the JW doctrines.

    These two contain many links to important information regarding the Watchtower Society.

    NewLight2's Links Page

    Johannes Greber's Home Page

    Please DO stay around and read those other forums that I mentioned in my other post to you. Spend some time reading the other forums on this site to gain further insight into how abusive this cilt really is.

    I recommend reading post in:
    Personal Experiences
    Child Abuse
    Scandals & Coverups
    Private Discussion & Support


    You can 'get there' via the drop down menu at the top of this page.

    NewLight2

  • Peterpanippleskin
    Peterpanippleskin

    Ok. Thanks. I will read them. Thank you.

    ...... and as for IQ I apologize. I did not know that IQ has nothing to do with emotional or social level of intelligence. No wonder I can not function well at those levels. I am glad you mentioned that. Yes. I would be interested in what your SAT scores were! I am not judgemental at all, unless someone is mean or abusive to me. I do not ever feel superior to anyone. In fact, I regard myself as being a humble person! I have a lot of friends, although many of my friends regard me as being sort of "different" yet very fun to be around.

    Thanks for all of your posts/replies

    Hal Helmboldt

  • NewLight2
    NewLight2

    Pete:

    I'm so sorry for has happened to you on both sites. The same thing happened to me years ago when I first came on-line on a disscussion board. They all thought that I was another 'creation' of someone who had decided to 'squat' at that board. It IS all very confusing to the 'newbies'.

    Another book that may be of some help to you is 'How to Rescue Your Loved one from the Watchtower" by David A. Reed. He also has a web site calledComments From The Friends.

    Hope this helps you. I always thought that you were for real.

    NewLight2

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