Is the Universe and Life both the same thing? (out-of-the-box)

frankiespeakin

Is the Universe and Life both the same thing?

I mean is there really duality in life and universe?? A crude examlpe of what I mean is like take your body it is made up all kinds of specialized cells and even aminals like bacteria and virus not to mention molecules etc.. yet you veiw it all as "you" what if the whole universe is like that,,and we only think we are seperate.

What if everything that exisited was just "it" or "life". Just, existense,, it seem to me that, that would not be possible without consciousness. Because without consciousness nothing exists. IMO

Narkissos

without consciousness nothing exists

Why?

frankiespeakin

Why?

It is just my particular view right now I guess. Becuse I'm thinking about Quantum Machanics, and Borh's uncertainty princible and how observation has to effect mesurement,,and Bells Therem,,and instantaneous communication between subatomic particles,,the implications of a non-local universe where our precepts of space and time are a thought illusion.

Satanus

Maybe consciousness preexisted life.

When i saw pics of galaxies and clusters of them, it looked like stars and gas clouds were connected somehow, that is some kind of field kept them in their shapes. I mean the patterns and shapes of the stars in galaxies are maintained somehow. Yesterday, i read an article about a theory that electric activity and plasma connect everything.

W that in mind, many galaxies look like vortices in a current, or even *gasp* neurons. Stepping back and out of this electric universe, it is easy to see the whole thing as an organism.

S putting down the hash pipe

Ps, you can read that article here, if you want http://www.rense.com/general61/bbang.htm

Pps, here is a site w a lot of pics related to the above article http://members.aol.com/arpgalaxy/index.html

frankiespeakin

Satan,

That big news,,WOW.

frankiespeakin

Satan,

These pictures really show how little we are. If it is like you say:

W that in mind, many galaxies look like vortices in a current, or even *gasp* neurons. Stepping back and out of this electric universe, it is easy to see the whole thing as an organism. S putting down the hash pipe

Can you imagine if we form an infinite mind with this uninverse??? Man gets supper tiny,,the mor I think about it, and I wonder what the end of conscious seperation, from this mind would be like??? It would have to be undiscribable with human metaphor.

Incense_and_Peppermints

without consciousness nothing exists.

plants aren't concious, but they exist. some people think ameobas and even fish aren't concious, but there they are, swimming around... i never bought into that "i think therefore i am" idea.

also, if a tree falls in a forest and there is no one to hear it, it still makes a noise. same way a phone ringing in an empty house.

and we are all connected, yet we are all seperate entities.

(and forgive me but i don't know anything about quantum mechanics, Borh's uncertainty principle, or Bell's Theorem... i just think what i think. )

Satanus

Incense_and_Peppermints

plants aren't concious

Umm, are you sure?

S

frankiespeakin

Incense,

plants aren't concious, but they exist. some people think ameobas and even fish aren't concious, but there they are, swimming around... i never bought into that "i think therefore i am" idea.

I think plants and ameoba are conscious,,not as conscious as say you or I of course but conscious non the less. Even atoms in my estimation are conscious just differently than ouy or I. We have to get rid limiting concepts to understand what i am saying. Don't limit consciousness to what we only as humans think,,but regress to dogs, then worms,,then plants then etc....You follow me??

JamesThomas

What better place to discover the secrets and treasures within "consciousness" than consciousness? It's closer than close, and only truth we actually know (conscious awareness is undeniable, every thing else that consciousness is aware of, could be a dream).

We philosophize endlessly, all the while ignoring what watches. Perhaps it is time we stopped dancing around the fire, and jumped in.

j

Is the Universe and Life both the same thing? (out-of-the-box)

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