My god! (page 2)

jst2laws

Amazing

Quote “But what of the hundreds of millions who were not so lucky to hear from God, or be sustained through trials? What of those who under such dire circumstances were left out in the cold, with nowhere to turn? “

Sadly, I have no insite on that thought at this time. I was not commenting so much on this matter as reacting to Wendy’s thoughts. I have been away for a while and will try to catch up.

Without knowledge of the issues, I will reluctantly say:
There is no justice in this life. The Psalms said ‘70 or 80 years, but their insistence is on trouble and hurtful things’. While the degree of this reality varies wildly from person to person seemingly without regard who they are or what kind of person they are, this is what God tells us to expect in this life. Give me a clue where this thread is coming from and I will try to respond more specifically. Please be patient with me.

Jst2laws

teejay

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JanH

from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=8264&page=3&site=3

- Jan
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Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]

Seeker

As another person who has no need for god in his life, I can well understand where you are coming from Wendy. I didn't come to this position from the idea of the suffering in the world, but from a systematic journey of logic and facts. Seeing the lack of such for the idea of god, I choose not to believe.

For those who wonder how people cope with suffering with no god to turn to, the answer is they cope very well. Probably better, for they are forced to stand on their own two feet, and with that comes the development of strength, not dependency.

I've never been happier in my life.

mommy

Thank you Amazing And Jst2laws(you know you have a place in my heart)& Think
I will have to say that I do not agree with the technical terms, or the translations brought into this. We are left here on this planet to decipher what god wants us to. Not all are privy to the translations, but still love god. I am sorry I disappoint you Jst2, that was not my intent. I wanted to tell you the way I feel of god today. God does not talk to me. He may talk to others. There are many god does not talk to, what makes us different? You know me from my posts, you do not know my person, many do. I am no different for not believing in god, then when I did.

It is a hard thing to say, not many will say it. I am sure this thread will be buried. I am not concerned with that. I just wanted to let everyone know, I am no different, I am the same, with or without god in my life.

The hurtful thoughts that Think speaks of. I have them. My child is hurt, she will die young. I don't speak of this often, only when it is heavy on my heart. Today is one of those days. I do not understand, why a god would create her to have her taken from me. What lesson have I not learned, where have I gone wrong? Why would a god of love require me to learn a lesson? Would he not give her to me to love and cherish with no strings attached?

The many thousands of starving children on this earth....where is god? Why does he not step in? Physically, I cannot step in. I cannot feed thousands but Jesus can, he did before right? So why does he choose to ignore them? Why is he not being active today? He was before in the time of the bible. He speaks to some today(so shelby says) why does he not end pain and suffering?

My post was spawn off of a reply by Mommie Dark. I can honestly say, I did not read the entire thread. I read her reply and wanted to talk one on one with Shelby. I was a believer, now I am not. I am no different, I just don't believe in god.

I hope that maybe my post will help others to realize it is ok to not believe in god. To not spend your entire life trusting in Santa. Yes, I told my kids to believe in god, I told them to believe in santa and the tooth fairy too. It does not mean, I believe myself in them. It is something that has been taught to most of the human beings on this planet. But on what basis? What basis do we belive? We were taught by our parents or by society in general that there is an outside source who is in control. SORRY. There is no control. Life is a mess. It is as you make it. Good, bad, and the ugly.

My only wish, you all have peace. Have peace in what you do every day, all of your actions make you happy. That is all that it amounts to. Nothing more, nothing less.

jst2, here is the thread, but as I said, I did not read all of it. I basicly wanted to talk to shelby, I guess I am selfish BTW, do not be sad for me, I am happy. I enjoy everyday. I cherish every moment I am no different, except I no longer rely on anyone. I accept life for what it is. A road we travel until we die. MMM Can't wait to see the other side.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/active.asp?site=3&page=2
love and peace,
wendy

In a controversy the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.

Seeker

It is something that has been taught to most of the human beings on this planet. But on what basis? What basis do we belive? We were taught by our parents or by society in general that there is an outside source who is in control.

It came from fear. Humans have a universal fear of loss when growing up. We had our parents who would always be there for us. They won't. So it is a natural step to invent an invisible father who will never leave us.

The alternative, of course, is to accept reality and emotionally take the leap to adulthood in all its senses. From my casual observation of humanity, I would estimate that only a tiny percentage of persons take this leap. Most spend their entire lives repeating the same old childhood patterns they knew and felt comfortable with. It's far easier to talk to your invisible father figure and be comforted instead. It's quite natural.

Mommie Dark

From 'Faust' the musical by Randy Newman...this song is sung by the Devil(Randy Newman) to God(James Taylor); it's the reason Old Gladhander tosses the ungrateful son down here:

All of the faith and prayer in the world,
all of your dumb show and circuses...
You know it's a lie,
it'll always be a lie,
the invention of an animal
who knows he's going to die.

Some fools in the desert, with nothing else to do,
so scared of the dark
they didn't know
if they were coming or going...
so they invented Me, and they invented You,
and other fools,
who keep it all going
and growing...
(Everybody!)
We're a figment of their imagination,
a beautiful dream it is true.
A figment of their imagination,
Me and You
(and You know it...)
Me
and
You.

mommy

Seeker I am glad you popped in! I value your insight and thought on this matter.

Mommie dark ] May you have peace, dont choke on it
wendy

In a controversy the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.

Seeker

Seeker I am glad you popped in!

I'm always there for my friends, mommy. :)

Yadirf

Mommy

One question, and one question only. Wassa mattah wif yo eyes. Dey sho do look funny in dat pickshure.

My god!

Dat's outrageously funny, 'specially considering the fact that you don't even believe in one.

Fwyday

My god!

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