My god!

by mommy 58 Replies latest jw friends

  • rem
    rem

    Wendy,

    I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed reading your post. In fact it choked me up a bit. You expressed your thoughts so well and they mirror much of my feeling on the matter. I'm glad what you've written what you have. I could not have expressed it better.

    I remember one thing that really got me started questioning the existence of god. I was watching a nature show on TV and I realized while watching a crocodile take down a zebra, that this actually goes on every minute of every day. Life – survival - is a struggle not just for man, but also for all of the animals. Life is not pretty – there is suffering and fear and death. The survivors live for another day to face yet again the harsh realities of their existence. What kind of a god would have created a world like this? A world where animals are eaten alive, where natural disasters take their toll without discrimination, where disease ravages both man and beast.

    I believe that this world is not compatible with an omnibenevolent creator – or even a half-competent one. To me, the naturalistic explanation of evolution with it’s driving force of natural selection, which can be cruel many times, leaves out the need for creator god apologetics. The driving force of natural selection has no personality, so there is no personal being to find fault with. Life just is the way it is.

    I also was not aware of your daughter’s situation. My heart sank as I read your words – I had no idea. It’s not fair. My heart goes out to you. I wish I knew what to say. I suppose I really don’t know what to say for risk of sounding glib. Just remember (and I’m sure you do) that you have many who care for you and feel for you. We are always there for you when things get rough, because there will be a time for all of us when we need someone else to comfort us. Life is not fair, it just is. For this reason we must take comfort in one another.

    With love,

    rem

    "Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so."
    ..........Bertrand Russell

  • TR
    TR

    Hi Wendy,

    Don't know what to say, just that I'm with ya.

    TR

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
    —Edmund Burke

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    I don't know if there is a God or not, just because I cant see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    Some people feel better when they pray. It does occur to me though that this may just be because we are communicating with our own sub-conscious mind.

    Just a thought!

    Englishman.

    ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

  • mommy
    mommy

    Thanks Guys for responding

    It has been a topic close to my heart for awhile, and I am glad I feel free enough to voice it here. You guys are a great sounding board, and I am glad I mirror what you are feeling as well. Many have emailed me, and spoke of having these fellings as well. It is hard thing to say, especially those who once used our lives to worship him.

    Thanks to all of those who responded here, you have given a voice to many who lack the courage to post. It is almost as if I found this forum all over again, a place I don't feel so "alone" in my thoughts.

    I love you all, and I am so happy that this place is here for us. We all need a place like this. And the friendships I have made here are priceless.

    love and peace to all
    wendy

    In a controversy the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.

  • zev
    zev

    I don't have the words to reply to this subject at this time.

    for now though,

    (((wendy)))

    my thoughts are with you.


    __
    Zev
    The greatest consistancy of the WTBTS is their INconsistancy.

  • safe4kids
    safe4kids

    ((((((((Wendy))))))))

    Thank you for sharing such deep personal thoughts and feelings with us. I agree with your views on god in so many ways.

    I just want you to know that I do NOT pity you in any way; I feel great admiration for the courage that you and your daughter must show on a daily basis. I do not know how you bear the unbearable Wendy...I doubt that I could do it and demonstrate the kindness and warmth that you exhibit here on a daily basis.

    You and your family are in my thoughts and in my heart....

    luv,
    Dana

    "A single event can awaken within us a stranger totally unknown to us. To live is to be slowly born."
    Antoine de Saint-Exupery

  • dedalus
    dedalus
    ... he will leave you breathless with his cruelty ...

    This line blew me away, Wendy. What a terrific post; I too am sorry to hear about your daughter.

    It has always struck me how vapid the comfort offered by those of faith is ... "God has his reasons" is what it usually boils down to. Near as I can figure, God is the worst absentee father in the universe.

    My own faith, despite my parents' best efforts, never grew very strong, perhaps because I could see little difference between God and the characters in my fairy tale books. But for those who once held faith, like you ... it must indeed be as if God is breaking your heart -- he doesn't even exist, and he breaks it anyway.

    Oh well. There's a great line in The Brothers Karamazov where Ivan says something like, "I acknowledge the power and the right of God ... but I respectfully return him the ticket." Life on "God's" terms is not worth the price of admission.

    Dedalus

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    Wendy, I had no idea. Sorry I didn't post sooner, but I was gone all weekend, visiting Venice's Mom and Dad (my hubby too). I thought you had boys, and didn't know about your little girl.

    About your belief (non belief) in God: I am struggling with this concept all the time. I go back and forth. When we were first coming out of the WTO, and so hurt by all the lies we had been told over our lifetimes, my apostate brother was thrilled, and said to me many times "one day you will come to the conclusion that God is the biggest lie of all."

    So I understand your belief. I want to believe in Him, but it gets more and more difficult. So many news reports I just can't listen to, and books I have to stop reading. Too much pain.

    Keep posting. I miss you when you are at work!!

    Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)

  • Tina
    Tina

    (((((((((((((WENDEBEL)))))))))))))
    Just catching up on your thread............Seeker also echoes my thoughts........luv you sweetie,Tina

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Wendy,

    You are courageous! Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Please know that my thoughts are with you and your family!

    Billygoat

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