Is pantheism a form of omnipresence? (page 3)

LittleToe

Would that be presence and omnipresence in the sense of herbivore, carnivore and omnivore??

qwerty

"Keep up, Craig. That's why I asked if Pantheism is a form of Omnipresence Or are you contending that it works the other way around?" It's the other way around! Q

bebu

So, if the universe is somehow destroyed, 'god' would also be destroyed?

I like the analogy of God is to creation as an author is to a book, not to be confused with the thing he created. The author is not found as a character in the work himself, but has a special omnipresence to all of it nonetheless, and even knows the characters better than they do themselves.

bebu

LittleToe

Bebu:If God is omnipresent, did He shift part of himself out of the way, to allow a space to create stuff in?
If so, did He remain omnipresent?

Alternatively, did he rattle around in space, thinking up stuff to make out of nothing?

Double alternatively, did he weave some of himself into the physical universe?

Triple alternatively....

Xena

Pantheism seems to limit god to this universe. God has all the power of our universe and no more, for that is all there is. Seems to me that panentheism would put you closer to omnipresence as only panentheism assigns the complete characteristic of omnipresence to God, for it assigns not only an omnipresence incorporating all of our universe, our reality, but all realities that may exist and what ties beyond and between them.

bisous

stop...yer makin my head hurt.

bebu

Double alternatively, did he weave some of himself into the physical universe?

We naturally think that there has always been space/room for God to put things into. But that space/room itself is created, from nothing. I can barely grasp that, let alone explain it. Maybe a mathematician understands how how non-existence might ever turn into any type of material.

But God is immanent everywhere I believe, and yet what spiritual/mental receptors we have are prevented from comprehending this to the fullest extent.

I think that if all the physical universe were to be destroyed, this would not affect God in any physical sense such as wel have. Destroying a book does not by correlation kill its author (it could grieve the author, though).

bebu

Pantheism seems to limit god to this universe. God has all the power of our universe and no more, for that is all there is. Seems to me that panentheism would put you closer to omnipresence as only panentheism assigns the complete characteristic of omnipresence to God, for it assigns not only an omnipresence incorporating all of our universe, our reality, but all realities that may exist and what ties beyond and between them.

But it God is outside as well as inside nature (and we have been told that, incredibly, there are edges to this universe), He would then be super-omnipresent.

bebu

Satanus

Oooh. I thought xena was a goddess incarnated. Yes pantheism easily includes parallel and intersticial universes that we cannot see/detect. They can be phase shifted in an infinite number of ways.

S

bebu

BTW, I think the original question deserves a simple yes answer. Pantheism is surely a form of omnipresence, but I don't think it is actually quite complete (even with all tangential/parallel universes added in). But of what worth are my thoughts here?

"It is so." "It is not so." The summary of all theological debates, -- Benjamin Franklin.

bebu

Is pantheism a form of omnipresence?

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