Is pantheism a form of omnipresence? (page 8)

Satanus

No problem, sunnygal. Take it as you will

S

LittleToe

Sunny:

Ross, have you and Chiron been chattin' again?

Nooo!
I'm Sagittarian, I tell ya!!
LOL

Deputy Dog

Methinks ye may be missing the point of the thread

Maybe.

I believe all of creation brings glory to God and reveals God. But, I don't think God is limited to the creation of this universe. I don't think that pantheism is a form of omnipresence. Pantheism accounts only for the universe.

D Dog

Deputy Dog

Nark

The concept of creation doesn't belong in pantheism.

Agreed, tell that to LT. It gives no credit to a Creator either.

D Dog

LittleToe

DD:
I think that's what most seem to be saying.

If Pantheism is correct then the universe(s) IS all, and hence omnipresent.

If the view of an Omnipresent "God" is correct, then the Universe is only part of that.

If this is the case, why do we use symbology such as "God is in heaven", as if this is distinct from the material creation? Is this "heaven" a created thing? Is it another universe? Is it transcendant to the material?

Agreed, tell that to LT. It gives no credit to a Creator either.

Sounds a little presumptious...
...both towards me and towards Pantheists.

Deputy Dog

S

We have differing ideals of worship I'm sure

D Dog

Valis

The concept of creation doesn't belong in pantheism.

huh? Many civs have incorporated other gods into their core beliefs and along with new gods comes a new version of creation...If I have missed the point or something please slap me...I have a tooth ache today adn prolly sound like a stupid head.

Sincerely,

District Overbeer

Deputy Dog

LT

If this is the case, why do we use symbology such as "God is in heaven", as if this is distinct from the material creation? Is this "heaven" a created thing? Is it another universe? Is it transcendant to the material?

This space time thing is a drag. I'll let you know when I get there.

D Dog

PS

Sounds a little presumptious...
...both towards me and towards Pantheists.

Sorry. With all that free will, I thought maybe you were thinking of converting

Narkissos

Valis,

I use the word "pantheism" in its more common sense (and the only one of "panthéisme" in French), that is, God is the sum or totality of being. From that standpoint there cannot be a creation (a god creating something which is not god).

Now there seems to be another acceptation of the English word which means absolute polytheism, i.e. the acceptation of all imaginable gods. I think this is not what LT meant to discuss in this thread (although that would be another interesting topic).

Hope that doesn't make the toothache worse...

zen nudist

I am a pan-me-ist because while I understand that EVERYTHING I know is in my own mind, thus directly me... I am not its creator

but I am part of it as it is part of me and no one made either one... I am like a wave upon the ocean, but I am also the ocean too...

If what I am made of is eternal, neither I nor it made itself and since I am but a manifestion of its true nature, I dont see the need nor point in calling it or me God.... so pan-me-ist seems more accurate than pantheist.

Is pantheism a form of omnipresence?

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