Allosaurus & Eve ...

by Taylor S. 46 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Taylor S.
    Taylor S.

    I was always fascinated with Dinosaurs as a kid. I remembering asking my mother how come the bible doesn't mention the Dinosaurs ... I mean, if he created everything, he must've created the Dinosaurs. Why no mention? I forget what you told me ... something unsatisfactory about the great giants or something like that.

    If man has only been here for 6000 some odd years ... millions of years after the last dino died , how come these great creatures, which are undeniably part of earth's history, not mentioned in the greatest story ever told? Could it be that the bible writer's knew nothing of the great beasts that walked before them? Or was it that god didn't see fit to inspire those men with the knowledge of that incredible eco-system, which he must've gotten bored with and destroyed?

    To me, the fact that Dino's existed is evidence of evolution over creation.

    What's dub rhetoric in that respect?

    taylorS

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    I think they'd just say it wasn't mentioned because it wasn't relevant. That would be of course the dubs that believe the dinos existed! My wife's parents didn't believe they existed at all when she was young. Maybe they've since come around, who knows... who cares...

    "Blind guides are what they are..."

    Dave

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    AA hahha that reminds me of an experience working with an older sis in service. It was back in 1990 we had a series of articles in the awake on Dinos.

    So we go to the door and this syster says in her presentation, "This issure of Awake! magizine dispells the silly notion that dinosaurs ever existed"

    Crap! lol I about wanted to die right there, the householder took them I think to get a laugh. When we got back to the car I asked her how she enjoyed the article on the dinos. She said "oh I didnt even read those since I know they never existed"

    I never told her the article was was about how dinos had existed and even tried to answer how they became extinct.

    Moral of the story? Alway read them mags before you make your presentation.

    2/8/90

  • Taylor S.
    Taylor S.

    And mentioning the DINO's ... I wonder if they are gonna be any in the New System?

    tS

  • Descender
    Descender

    I know some witnesses don't believe in dinosaurs at all. When I visited New York ten years ago with some of my friends (ei. helping a friend move to Bethel), we visited the Museum of Natural History. While reading one of the displays in front of a stegosaurus I saw one of my friends laughing and I asked him what was funny. He said these dinosaur displays were stupid because, of course, dinosaurs never existed especially millions of years ago. This was the first time I'd ever heard something so stupid. I asked him how he figured that and he told me that the earth was no older than 6000 years old, so it was pretty much an impossibility, plus he figured it was just a conspiracy to downplay the relevance of the Bible and that scientists just made this stuff up.

    I figured that maybe he was just retarded and didn't think to much of it until a few years later when I was working with another brother, a ministerial servant. He asked me about my future plans, and I told him that I'd always been interested in archeology and paleontology. He told me not to pursue an education in such things because Satan was controlling the government to inculcate the population with the idea that the earth had been around for millions of years and that dinosaurs had populated the earth, when in reality the earth was only 6000 years old and dinosaurs were obviously just another satanic conspiracy to control the masses.

    So, from my experiences, there seems to be some witnesses that don't believe dinosaurs ever existed.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Many creationists see references to dinosaurs in Genesis 1:21 or Job 40. Here is an amusing website on this subject:

    http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/behemoth.html

  • iiz2cool
    iiz2cool
    the earth was only 6000 years old

    If I recall correctly, the society has acknowledged that the earth is 4 billion years old, but that "creation" started later. They claim that humans have existed for 6,000 years. Then there were the preceeding "creative days", each supposedly 7,000 years in length. One elder? speculated that dinosaurs existed during one of these "creative days" to keep the vegetation under control, and that there were no meat eating dinosaurs. He also said that the carbon dating equipment scientists use are inaccurate because they don't take into account the "fact" that there was a major change in climate when the "water canopy" fell at Noah's flood.

    The society is stupid enough, but some individual JWs find it necessary to expand their stupidity beyond that of the organization.

    Walter

  • Odrade
    Odrade

    Walter, I don't think that is just one elder's speculation. I've heard that from many JWs. My own parents believe it exactly how you outlined. They put a LOT of faith into the notion of the water canopy disrupting the RC dating by millions of years, totally discounting strata dating and other methods to determine age.

    I suspect this is the unwritten party line about the dinosaurs. I've heard it too many times for it to be coincidence.

  • Taylor S.
    Taylor S.

    Okay ... so they say that the climate change after the flood screwed up the RC dating ... so when are they supposing that Dino's walked the planet? With people ... slightly before?

    And the idea that Dino's were here just to keep the vegetation under control and there were no meat eaters is malarky. All those canines teeth and raptor claws weren't necessary to eat peas.

    tS

  • eyeslice
    eyeslice

    Interestingly, the Awake article on dinosaurs (feb 8 90) managed to have a sub-heading "When did they live?" but managed to completely avoid answering the question.

    Eyeslice

    ARTICLE AS FOLLOWS:

    Discovering ?The Great Reptiles? of the Past

    WHEN you stand on the edge of the Red Deer River valley, just south of the town of Drumheller in Alberta, Canada, you stand on the edge of two different worlds. At eye level, in every direction, are the endless wheat fields of the Alberta prairies. But looking down the cliffs into the dry and barren valley, visitors can imagine another world far removed from their own?the world of the dinosaurs.

    In this valley, with its steep canyons of multicolored sedimentary rock layers, hundreds of dinosaur bones have been unearthed. Some people in this area call the barren canyon ?the badlands.? But visitors, young and old alike, are filled with astonishment as they view the fossil legacy of some of the most amazing animals that ever lived on earth.

    Discovering Dinosaurs

    Before 1824, dinosaurs were unknown to man. In that year the bones of several kinds of fossilized reptiles were unearthed in England. British paleontologist Richard Owen called these animals Dinosauria, from the two Greek words deinos and sauros, meaning ?terrible lizard.? The name remains in common use to this day, although while dinosaurs are reptiles, they are not lizards.

    Since 1824, dinosaur fossils have been found on every continent. The fossil record, left in layers of sedimentary, or water-laid, rock, indicates that there was an extraordinary abundance and variety of dinosaur types at a time in earth?s history called the Age of Dinosaurs. Some made their home on land, while others lived in swamps. Some perhaps even lived in water, much like the present-day hippopotamus.

    Large quantities of dinosaur remains?including such nonskeletal evidence as tracks?have been unearthed in the Great Central Plain of North America. The prairies of central Alberta have yielded many dinosaur remains, including nearly 500 complete skeletons. In the 1920?s, expeditions discovered dinosaur bones in the Gobi Desert of central Asia. In the 1940?s a Soviet expedition in Mongolia discovered a dinosaur skeleton some 40 feet [12 m] in length.

    In 1986 Argentine scientists discovered the fossils of a plant-eating dinosaur in Antarctica. Until then, Antarctica had been the only major land area where dinosaur fossils had not been found. Just before that, an American researcher found dinosaur bones on the North Slope of Alaska. Throughout the last hundred years, deposits of dinosaur bones have been uncovered in so many places that it has become apparent that dinosaurs were widespread in the remote past.

    When Did They Live?

    Dinosaurs played a dominant role in life on earth during their age. But then they came to an end. The rock layers containing human fossils consistently occur above those layers containing dinosaur fossils. Because of this, scientists generally conclude that humans came on the earthly scene later.

    In this regard the book Palaeontology, by James Scott, states: ?Even the earliest species of Homo sapiens (man) lived long after the disappearance of the dinosaurs . . . After tilting (through earth movement) has been allowed for, rocks containing fossil men consistently occur above those preserving the bones of the great dinosaur reptiles and it follows that the latter belong to an earlier age than the human remains.?

    In the Red Deer River valley, there is a layer of sedimentary rock that contains dinosaur bones. Just above this, there is a purplish-brown layer that follows the contour of the hillside. On top of the purplish-brown layer is a layer of brownish siltstone containing fossils of subtropical ferns, indicating a hot climate. Above this, there are several layers of coal. Farther up the hillside are coarser-grained layers of earth. There are no dinosaur bones in any of the higher layers.

    The book A Vanished World: The Dinosaurs of Western Canada states that ?all of the 11 major kinds of dinosaurs . . . ceased to exist in the western interior at about the same time.? This, and the fact that human bones have not been found with dinosaur bones, is why most scientists conclude that the Age of Dinosaurs ended before humans came on the scene.

    However, it should be noted that there are some who say that dinosaur bones and human bones are not found together because dinosaurs did not live in areas of human habitation. Such differing views demonstrate that the fossil record does not yield its secrets so easily and that no one on earth today really knows all the answers.

    Characteristics

    Scientists have concluded that east of the North American Rocky Mountains, a great shallow sea once existed. This sea was hundreds of miles wide, extending from the present Arctic Ocean to Mexico. Along the flat shoreline were lush, marshy forests. Fossils suggest that many types of dinosaurs flourished in this ecological setting. The edmontosaurus, a duck-billed dinosaur about 30 feet [9 m] long, apparently browsed in herds in cow fashion through the swamp. Well-preserved three-toed footprints and the fossilized contents of the stomach led paleontologists to this conclusion.

    Other evidence suggests that some dinosaurs displayed social habits. They likely herded together, perhaps in groups of hundreds or more. Discovery of successive layers of nests and eggs in the same place indicates that some dinosaurs returned to the same nesting sites year after year. Skeletal remains of infant dinosaurs near the nests, states Scientific American, ?strongly suggest sibling social behavior and also imply the possibility of parental attendance on the young after their hatching.?

    The fossil evidence thus demonstrates that there were vast numbers and varieties of dinosaurs. But just what did they look like? Were they all fearsome, gigantic monsters??terrible lizards?? Why did they seem to disappear so suddenly?

    [Picture Credit Line on page 3]

    Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C.: Photo Number 43494

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