by GodRules 58 Replies latest jw friends
I'm gonna take some flack from this board for this. but in this one case God Rules is taking it as much as he's dishing it out.
As far as failed dates coming from imperfect people, Jesus said very simply (as he he says everything)
Satan is the originator of the LIE and the father OF it.
Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!
gsark,
GR INVITED the Facts.......and it seems those fact s have pushed GR to other posts.......or the dreadful notion of back to the KH
may it not be so!
S
Yes, I invited the facts.
What facts have you presented?
Facts that the men that make up Jehovah's Organization have made mistakes? Yes, you have given that.
Is that an excuse to leave Jehovah's Organization? No.
Facts that apostates are bitter toward Jehovah's Organization? You have most definately shown that.
Facts that you are pissed over the difellowshipping issue? You sure have shown that, but what else is there to expect from unrepentent ones?
Facts that you go back to the crap you came from? I vote yes.
Facts that you only read WTS literature to criticize and not learn with an open mind? Oh yes.
What most of you do not realize is that you are still following man and not God as you claim JW's do. To answer JW's most post to other sites developed by apostates. Why? Because they have misguided you. So you are followers of them. You cannot think on your own, that's why you need places like this forum, to get energized with poison and hatred towards the only people that are teaching the truth about God's Kingdom.
Godrules,
The only fact is that you can't stand up to the arguments you invited. Hence your pathetic attempt to insult everyone who responded to your specific question with specific arguments and specific quotes.
You suck ass, and so do Jehovah's Witnesses, and so does your mythological god.
Dedalus
P.S. Do you have any kids? Are they placing enough Watchtowers? I hope Jehover doesn't fry their asses!
Facts that the men that make up Jehovah's Organization have made mistakes? Yes, you have given that.
Is that an excuse to leave Jehovah's Organization? No.
Well, as I said before I go by the scripture that says look at the fruitage. If you're saying these "mistakes" are irrelevant, then as far as I'm concerned you're contradicting what Jesus said.
Let me pose one question GR: Is there ANY evidence which will convince you that the WTS is NOT God's organization? Because frankly, most people here probably do not think so, only you do. If you're so faithful to the organization that nothing can convince you that it isn't God's organization, then you have more loyalty to the organization than you have to God. If nothing else, your relationship to God is regulated by your relationship with the organization, but as you know the scriptures say you only approach the father through Jesus. In that case you would have no personal relationship with God. I think anyone who professes to have a relationship with God would do well to ask this question. You can choose to answer publicly in defense or not, but either way I hope you ask yourself this question and answer honestly. You have to live with yourself.
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
Introspection:
I like your approach. Yes, I will accept evidence that the WTS is Not God's Organization. The evidence I accept is: If Jehovah is not using the Witnesses to spread the good news and help people do his will to be saved? Then, who is he using?
Some will say that he does not need an organization. I do not believe that. Jehovah is an organized person and constant. He organized the Israelites and through Jesus, organized the first century Christians.
See, I do not want to die. I know I will not go to heaven, because I don't feel that in my heart. I don't want my family to die either. I want to live a New System of things that the Bible does speak of. I believe that and will accept strong, biblical evidence of how to achieve that without the guidance of Jehovah's Organization.
GR:
What really is more important, being in the right organization or actually cultivating that aga-pe love that's supposed to identify Christians? I can understand your concern for your family, but to me the first lesson is selflessness. Jesus said he that seeks to save his soul will lose it, but he that loses his soul for my sake will find it. I understand that as giving your life completely to expressing that altruistic love which Jesus preached about. You can cultivate this in yourself, but as children grow up they have to be responsible for themselves. It would be a shame if a family was torn apart because loyalty to an organization was instilled, yet that love was put in the background as secondary to being with the right people. If it was a matter of being in the right organization but not having the love, or not being in the organization but having that love, who do you think would be saved?
"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing the self is insight. Mastering others requires force. Mastering the self requires true strength." -Tao Te Ching, Chapter 33
GodRules:
Introspection:
I like your approach. Yes, I will accept evidence that the WTS is Not God's Organization. The evidence I accept is: If Jehovah is not using the Witnesses to spread the good news and help people do his will to be saved? Then, who is he using?Some will say that he does not need an organization. I do not believe that. Jehovah is an organized person and constant. He organized the Israelites and through Jesus, organized the first century Christians.
See, I do not want to die. I know I will not go to heaven, because I don't feel that in my heart. I don't want my family to die either. I want to live a New System of things that the Bible does speak of. I believe that and will accept strong, biblical evidence of how to achieve that without the guidance of Jehovah's Organization.
A sad example of the thought process of one who is part of a publishing company who has usurped the authority of Jesus Christ given to him by his father and replaced it with a need to be part of a MAN MADE ORGANIZATION.
ianao: typical response of posters in this board. When they can't answer, they rely on the same accusation, that my thought process has been obscured by the WTS.
My thoughts are logical. If we believe the Bible to be God's Word, then we see that the Israelites were not a man-made organization. It was theocracy. Israelites had bad elements in their society, but the only way to be protected and get Jehovah's approval was to follow his commandments and be part of that organization.
Also, the 1st century christians did not have a man-made organization, but followed theocratic guidance. They also had some bad elements, but Jesus guided them through imperfect men in Jerusalem, travelling overseers such as Paul, Silas, etc. and also the elders in the different congregations.
So, my question is very logical. Why would Jehovah and Jesus change the way they did things in the past?
ianao: typical response of posters in this board. When they can't answer, they rely on the same accusation, that my thought process has been obscured by the WTS.
Typical rebuttal from a brain-dead JW. When they themselves can't answer, they make pittiful attempts at reverse psychology. Everyone here has seen how you value an ideal over reality.
My thoughts are logical. If we believe the Bible to be God's Word, then we see that the Israelites were not a man-made organization.
In other words, you don't want to consider the ramifications of what we are talking about, so you are (probably unconciously) side-stepping the issue. Israel was a nation, written in scripture. Christianity was written throughout most of the NT. NOWHERE DO THE SCRIPTURES MENTION THE WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY.
It was theocracy. Israelites had bad elements in their society, but the only way to be protected and get Jehovah's approval was to follow his commandments and be part of that organization.
That's right knucklehead.
Also, the 1st century christians did not have a man-made organization, but followed theocratic guidance.
Okie dokie...
They also had some bad elements, but Jesus guided them through imperfect men in Jerusalem, travelling overseers such as Paul, Silas, etc. and also the elders in the different congregations.
Okie dokie...
So, my question is very logical. Why would Jehovah and Jesus change the way they did things in the past?
Nice question. My answer would be... Because the LAW was tired and could not be lived up to. The new covenant was indeed a change, otherwise, their would be no Christianity and everything would STILL be Judaism under the mosaic law. (Have you forgotton why the christ did what he did!?) Now let me ask you a question...
Do YOU follow Jesus as the early Christians did, or do you merely follow a MAN-MADE ORGANIZATION who TELLS YOU they are guided by Jesus?
How many rights are you denied as a christian because this organization TELLS YOU that you are not under that covenant?
Technically, you can't really even call yourself a Christian, can you?
