I'm telling lies from the stage

by DannyBloem 54 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Welcome DannyBloem

    Every person and situation is different. Admitting one's lying is one of the hardest steps toward personal truth -- and you've already done that.

    Perhaps trying to limit your speech to what you really believe would be the next one -- which may or not imply "stepping down" as an elder. Of course it will probably lead you further but it will give you time to prepare yourself and your family to it.

    It's hard indeed but it's worth it. Personally I had a few great months teaching from the Bible only (and not from a fundamentalistic standpoint) before I was df'd (perhaps that was easier 20 years ago).

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Many of us have lived through this dilemma. You are not alone. When I realised that it was all a fake, I was Watchtower Overseer, Group Study Conductor and Secretary.

    For family reasons, I felt that I could not do what I wanted, which was to tell the congreagation straight - then just walk away. That would have been the easy thing . But in order to preserve a marriage and maintain a relationship with family, I backed off slowly. My plan was 1] Let my wife and the PO know that I was having a rough time , get them used to the idea that I was "spiritually sick". They chose to label me 'depresssed' . That suited me fine. 2] As time went by I gave more voice to doubts and 'problems with the faith' . During this time I was still fulfilling my assignments, although not so well as before. Elders complained that the Watchtower Studies were getting a little 'flat' .

    3} When I thought they were ready for it, I handed the P O a letter of resignation from eldership. He did not want to accept it , but the Circuit Overseer was happy to strike me off after I truthfully told him I had a passion for "What he would call Heavy Metal music"

    After that I never went out on door to door work, just reported time accompanying my wife on a stud, that was disintegrating into a social call, with a little reading of the Bible. After a while I stopped reporting that time because I no longer wanted to . Nobody ever questioned me about that . We quit that congo after a dispute and I am know accepted as an 'unbelieving husband' when I accompany my wife to the new congo. I certainly never comment and I cannot sing the songs

    That way involves a certain amount of planned and temporary hypocracy . I know that and hated doing it , but I got away under my own terms. Until something happens and I am exposed as an apostate? Maybe, but we will deal with that when it happens

    Hang on in there. We know it is hard . Do what you have to do..

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas
    I still think it is the best religious organisation and that there is no better religion.

    Then what are you whining about? Why are you here? Why are you not fulfilling your dedication?

    Have you ever, in your entire life, ever made a concrete decision on anything!?

    It looks to me like you need the Organization. Someone has to think for you. Someone needs to stand for something. It certainly isn't you.

    I wish you were here in front of me so I could smack you upside the head. If there ever was a good case for it, you're it.

    Geeeeeze!!

    j

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Perhaps that's the best way to get out of your dilemma by gradually fading away it may be better than disassociating point blank because then you will get problems in the family whereas as an inactive JW you give them nothing but get a lot less hustle.

    If they can't sit down and honestly discuss issues with people and accept constructive criticism then that's their own tough problem at the end of the day.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    As for them being the best religious organisation, you need to do some detailed research on them and before long you will realise how deceptive appearences can be.

    There is plenty of good info about them on the internet. It is more likely that they are one of the worst because they lied extensively, destroyed many families, caused the death of many by banning blood transfusions, and are generally a very heartless and pitiless organisation.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    Hi - my thoughts would be that you shouldn't lie to a congregation (or anyone - hmm that's probably a discussion all on its own) but you also shouldn't tell your version of the truth in that particular forum. I once had dreams of heading into other religion's churches and facing them down with my truth. Though it might have made for a really cool spectacle it would have been wrong and I am so grateful to this day I didn't make an utter fool of myself and didn't treat other people's feelings and beliefs as less worthy than mine. I think there is a place in society for 'resistance' to wrong doing - I even have a grudging admiration for people who hold up hunts, climb on buildings to protest something etc.. - but there must be some respect and appropriate timing.

    By all means refuse to give talks but don't act like a martyr either and put your head on the chopping block by saying 'I don't believe x so the rest must be wrong.' I'd advise to avoid conflict (yea that is funny coming from me and my post history!) and always be true to yourself.

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    Oh Q!!!

    You horrible, dispicable father!!!

    As per your avatar you have already put your child in a box. Live outside the box man. Don't force your children into the box! It's cruel and demeaning!!!

    LOL - sorry I couldn't resist teasing - it made my day

  • blondie
    blondie

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/58215/1.ashx

    Some helpful reading or sources.

    I hated telling lies. Fortunately, I am not a brother.

    First step, start easing off the elder/MS responsibilities. Cite personal health, family health, etc. Whatever parts you do have, cancel the night before or the night/day of. There will be a little pressure but you did call. Have something from work come up, a sudden illness, etc. Start slowing down in field service. Delegate taking the group out to an MS or brother more and more. Go out in service by yourself and do something else. As you fail to do your assignments and your time goes down, they will be more likely to accept your "resignation." They will tell you that you need their permission, but that is just a manipulation.

    Once you are no longer an elder/MS; miss more meetings, field service.

    How much do you tell your wife and child(ren) depends on how much you know their mental state on the WTS.

    Amazing1914 has an experience about how he left the WTS and got his family out. (I can't find the URL)

    There is going to be discomfort/pain no matter what you do.

    If you still think the WTS is God's organization, you might like to read this.

    http://www.brci.org/publications.html

    Does God Work Through an Organization.

    Blondie

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    EF - but the box looks nice - the box feels good and safe :) Anyway I'm returning that baby to the shop - she is too cute. Nobody believes she's mine... :o

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    Suggest you talk to Little Toe.

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