by IP_SEC 40 Replies latest watchtower bible
Nathan.......ya damn spiritual rusty heathen apostate bastard! Adam and Eve were perfect, ..so there is no ransom left for them. They evidently understood better than us imperfect bastards as to what sinning is....so there's no second chance for those snake lovin, apple eatin bastards.
Gumby
So dubs could save their beloved apostate rebels by killing them before the big a.
*shudders*
Sounds like what my JC told me. 'You know, we are being loving here. Time was when we would just have taken you out and killed you...'
One of these "loving brothers" watched me grow up and treated me like I was his own daughter when I was a kid...
They are a sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, people...
Jean
there's no second chance for those snake lovin, apple eatin bastards.
LOL@Gumby. Oh, to hear that from the platform would be great!!!!!
I was all: "give me that" *jaw drops* "well I'll be, you know what this means dont you?" "This is like the umpteenth flip flop on this from the sole mouthpiece of god." *fighting ensues*Logic has nothing to do with why your wife wants to stay in the Dubs and arguing doctrinal issues and proving how false they are rarely works IMHO.
I showed this point about a month ago to my father in law. He said that 10 years ago there was an article that basically said that Korah would be resurrected because he was swallowed up by sheol.
I thought this was "new light" but he didin't think so.
Any scholars in the house today that can clarify this for us?
wanna
Sounds like what my JC told me. 'You know, we are being loving here. Time was when we would just have taken you out and killed you...'
i was told this just a couple of weeks ago too
my reply was..dont you dare quote the mosaic law to me...unless you are prepared to carry it out
but we are not under the mosaic law..it was done away with and replaced with a better law..the christian one which you seem incapable of finding in your hearts to apply
i woulda taken being stoned to death any day of the week and twice on sunday
It's morbid how they try to rely on outdated old testament mentalities to find support for their cultish perceptions. This story with Korah is pure psychological warfare against the R & F calculated to intimidate.
I just need a little clarification here. Believe it or not I never put that much thought into this particular question before .
In 1965 the WT said that Korah (and others) was killed by God (whether by fire or swallowing). They were taken to Sheol from there they could get a resurrection.
However, Adam&Eve, Sodomites, Gomorrans and others killed by God will not receive a resurrection because they are in Gehenna.
Does anyone understand the difference? Does the society even discuss the difference? Perhaps the only difference is that God decided to tell us specifically that Korah, etc were taken to Sheol and for others that God killed no specific reference is made therefore we assume its Gehenna? - Don't know; any ideas?
Here's some tidbits from a Watchtower. Notice how OBVIOUS.....the article is suggesting complete obeidience to "Jehovahs Arrangement" of authority....via the 'Faithfull Slave'. Notice how the questions are geared at the end of the lesson.
Loyally
Submit to Godly Authority!
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Since Jehovah is a God of order, as well as a God of peace, we would expect that any nation he ruled would be well organized. (1 Corinthians 14:33) That certainly was the case with Israel. But how could an earthly, visible organization be directed by an invisible God? We do well to consider the way Jehovah governed that ancient nation, noting in particular how his dealings with Israel highlight the importance of loyally submitting to godly authority.How Ancient Israel Was Governed4
There was more to being a judge than knowing the Law, however. Being imperfect, the older men had to be alert to curb any of their own wayward tendencies—such as selfishness, partiality, and greed—that might pervert their judgment. Moses told them: "You must not be partial in judgment. You should hear the little one the same as the great one. You must not become frightened because of a man, for the judgment belongs to God." Yes, Israel’s judges were judging for God. What an awe-inspiring privilege that was!—Deuteronomy 1:16, 17.7
Sadly, some did not appreciate their privileges. Rather than loyally submitting to godly authority, they became dissatisfied and gave in to pride, ambition, and jealousy. A Levite named Korah was of that number."Must
You Men Also Try to Secure the Priesthood?"10
The rebels should have known better than to challenge Moses’ authority. Not long before, Aaron and Miriam had done just that. Why, they had even used reasoning similar to that of Korah! According to Numbers 12:1, 2, they asked: "Is it just by Moses alone that Jehovah has spoken? Is it not by us also that he has spoken?"11 How, though, did Jehovah react to this rebellion against godly authority?
Identifying
the Channel Today16
. Who was Jehovah going to use to lead this new "nation"? Jesus proved himself to be unconditionally loyal to God. He loved the people. He also performed many marvelous signs. However, like their stiff-necked ancestors, the majority of the Levites refused to accept Jesus. (Matthew 26:63-68; Acts 4:5, 6, 18; 5:17) Finally, Jehovah replaced the Levitical priesthood with a very different one—a royal priesthood. That royal priesthood continues down to this day.17
Who make up this royal priesthood today? The apostle Peter answers that question in his first inspired letter. To anointed members of the body of Christ, Peter wrote: "You are ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light." (1 Peter 2:9) From these words it is clear that, as a group, the anointed footstep followers of Jesus make up this "royal priesthood," which Peter also called "a holy nation." They constitute the channel that Jehovah uses to provide his people with instruction and spiritual direction.—Matthew 24:45-47.18
Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions. (Hebrews 13:7, 17) How can that be?20
Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust. They faithfully prepare for and conduct congregation meetings, work side by side with us in preaching the "good news of the Kingdom," and provide Scriptural advice when we need it. (Matthew 24:14; Hebrews 10:23, 25; 1 Peter 5:2) They visit us when we are sick and comfort us when we mourn. They loyally and unselfishly support Kingdom interests. Jehovah’s spirit is upon them; they have his approval.—Galatians 5:22, 23.22
How happy we are to have Jehovah as our invisible Ruler, Jesus Christ as our High Priest, members of the anointed royal priesthood as our teachers, and faithful Christian older men as our counselors! Although no organization directed by humans can be perfect, we are delighted to be able to serve God in the company of faithful fellow believers, who gladly submit to godly authority!What Have You Learned?
· What loving provisions did Jehovah make to care for the Israelites?
· Why was Korah’s rebellion against Moses and Aaron inexcusable?
· What lesson is there for us in the way Jehovah dealt with the rebels?
· How can we show that we appreciate Jehovah’s arrangements today?
[Study
Questions] 1. What factors made ancient Israel unique among nations? 2. What question arises regarding the way Israel was organized, and why is the answer of importance to us? 3. What practical arrangements did Jehovah make for the guidance of his people? 4. What tendencies were Israel’s faithful judges anxious to avoid, and why? 5. In addition to setting up judges, what other provisions did Jehovah make to care for his people?6, 7. (a) What was the relationship between the priests and the nonpriestly Levites? (b) What lesson can we draw from the fact that the Levites performed a variety of tasks? (Colossians 3:23)
8. (a) Who was Korah? (b) What might have caused Korah to begin viewing the priests from a purely human standpoint?9, 10. What accusation did Korah and his fellow rebels make against Moses, and why should they have known better?
11. How did Moses deal with the situation involving Korah?
12. On what did Israel’s continued good relationship with God depend?
13. (a) Why was it presumptuous on the part of the rebels to offer incense before Jehovah? (b) How did Jehovah deal with the rebels?
14. Why did Jehovah take firm action against the assembly of Israel?
15. (a) For what reasons should the Israelites have accepted without hesitation the leadership of Moses and Aaron? (b) What has this account taught you about Jehovah?
16. (a) What evidence should have convinced first-century Jews that Jesus was Jehovah’s representative? (b) Why did Jehovah replace the Levitical priesthood, and with what?
17. (a) What group makes up the royal priesthood today? (b) How does Jehovah use the royal priesthood?
18. What connection is there between appointed elders and the royal priesthood?
19. In what way are elders appointed by holy spirit?
20. What do you appreciate about hardworking elders?
21. Of what must the elders be conscious, and why?
22. How has reviewing the account of Korah strengthened your faith in Jehovah’s visible organization?
[Picture
on page 9]Do you consider any assignment in Jehovah’s service a privilege?
[Picture
on page 10]"Why, then, should you lift yourselves up above the congregation of Jehovah?"
[Picture on page 13]Appointed elders represent the royal priesthood
Gumannointed
However, Adam&Eve, Sodomites, Gomorrans and others killed by God will not receive a resurrection because they are in Gehenna.
Exactly listener,
The society would probably say something like, "well uhmm god could read korahs heart and see he wasnt evil and deserves a ressurection, he just needed to get rid of his rebellious influence in the only way god knows how, beating up people who are weaker than he is."
Or maybe sheol truly is the h e double hockey sticks that bad ol christendom teaches.
Or maybe god is a delusional prick who saves whom he wishes.
Or maybe the bible is an inconsistant rag
All Im saying is I want my damn rez when I get destroyed for the same sin as Krazy Korah.
You guys with me?
Matt,
You don't get it do you. You HAVE JUST BEEN RESURRECTED! - welcome to the new real system.
steve
