"This Generation" change -- fallout evidence? (page 3)

La Capra

Two things;

1) Would someone give the nutshell version of the change in the sheep and the goats thing. (Being the goat that I am (get it? La Capra) I was enjoying not hanging with the sheep.

2) The fact that the abandonment of the generation doctrine went by with hardly a blip just shows what a mind control cult that religion is. One of the biggest carrots that they ever dangled was never dying. Even though they say "new light" out of one side of their mouths, they still use the "everlasting life on earth" as their carrot.

A few years ago, a young mother with a four year old came round. I lightly challenged her on the generation thing, how my "friend in high school" back in the 80s tried to convince me of the 1914 generation. This gal spewed out the whole "new light" garbage. But the four-year-old...already in that zone... kept asking me if I wanted to die, if I was going to die. (Good thing I wasn't suicidal-eh? Mom didn't even have the good sense to be embarrassed.) I think most of them took the "new light" and are simply trying to ignore the real effect it has.

This tells me that with many of the JWs, particularly any at least 25 years old, are hanging by a very thin thread and don't even realize it. For many of them, when something trivial happens that makes them question the organization, this thread will snap-creating the no-brainer moment. Or at least one could hope.

Shoshana

richard

See http://home.versatel.nl/rsingelenberg/images/graphs/growthperc.htm

blondie

One thing to look at in there statistics is the difference between the increase in average publishers for that year, compared to the number baptized, usually 100,000 less, MIAs.

http://www.jwic.com/stat.htm

Balsam

The JW lady that brings me magazines was here a few weeks ago. I told her I had a sister that had been a JW before she passed some 3 years ago, and she said 1975 was when God was bringing the end. This sister said oh that was a time of sifting for the organization, that it shook lose apostates. God permitted that date to be said by unrealiable people so Jehovah could cleanse the organization. I asked her where the biblical proof for that was? She had none. She had become a JW in 1983 long after that 1975 date failed. I almost laughed at her it was so stupid an explaination. This is what her bible study conductor had explained to her. How weird is that. Hey Blondie, how is it that the baptisms drop yet they have an increase in publishers? That is strange.

Ruth

LittleToe

Another thing that skews their stats in more recent years, is that some of the aged diehards can still be called a publisher if they talk to a home-help for 15mins a month.

Without that, I suspect we'd be looking at pretty much zero growth over the last couple of years.

LongHairGal

The generation change teaching in 1995 had a delayed reaction.

Initially, some people were probably stunned. Then they tried to rationalize things. Then the disgust set in later. Over a period of time people left a little at a time.

Ten years later you see halls with half the people there and they didn't all die or move away.

trevor

garybuss

When I was a Witness, resurrection was just for the unfortunate few who died before Armageddon, now it's the hope of the week.

So true. They offered everlasting life on earth without surrender of the human body. This is a unique idea, foreign to Christians and most other religions. Now they are being asked to face the reality of growing old and their own death.

They have waited patiently for their god to pull his finger out and slaughter all ‘worldlings’ so they can have their new world and never face death.

It was worth waiting for - but now it’s to die for!

proplog2

I have talked to several people who left because of the generation thing. I know one old and very faithful brother who quit taking his heart medication and went on a diet of rich food when he became depressed over the 1914 generation change. He died very quickly.

The chart of % increase over the years is very revealing. The increase of the late 1940's and early 50's was clearly a bounce after World War II. Anything more than a 4% increase can be traced to Watchtower doctrine or geo-political changes.

The 1960's activity was strongly related to a combination of African Missionary work and the 1975 prediction.

The decrease after 1975 was predictable.

The 1980's increases were primarily in the Latin American countries and Japan.

The 1990's increases were floated on top of the events connected with the Death of the Soviet Union.

It's hard to tell if the slow-down of the late 1990's was due to the 1914 generation disappointment or if it was the result of the internet or both.

The internet is probably going to keep a lid on their increases.

They year 2014 will be devastating.

amarantha

The 1995 change was definitely part of the reason I left. My total lack of shock and lack of disappointment when it happened clued me in that I was becoming jaded in regard to the society. I expected this BS from them. I didn't fully extricate myself until 1998, and many other factors played a part in my decision to leave. Would I have left anyway? Yes. No question. But did it influence me? Yes.

DannyHaszard

I exited 1-1992 because of cruel and abusive treatment against my family.Was a believing castaway for 5 years due to stockholm syndrome and cognitive dissonance (didn't know that my conditions had a name at the time,thanks JWD)

When the Watchtower's CENTRAL CORE 1914 generations Jesus came to power doctrine failed and was exposed as a Millerite mutation by Ray Franz in COC and by noted journalist Roger Mudd in a history channel documentary (video clip available at my home page)

The Watchtower world went down for me.

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Danny Haszard Bangor Maine "expert witness on the Jehovah's Witness"

"This Generation" change -- fallout evidence?

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