White House Lunatic Imperils Us All. (page 2)

Englishman

Rex,

Wait until Hamas or some other Islamic group tosses you a nuke or two, then ask for help? Typical European lack of will.

Gosh, thats a new one.

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

Amazing

Hi Englishman: You said,

"Not just content with attempting to scuttle the Kyoto accord by claiming it was anti-American, Bush has now pulled the USA out of an international agreement on tightening up controls on chemical warfare, citing almost exactly the same concerns."

Would you provide the source references and, if possible, the direct quotes where President Bush stated his reasons for rejecting these treaties was that they are 'anti-American.'

While you are looking it up, here are some interesting points:

1. The Kyoto Protocols allow for 'sinks'. This is, large forests that absord greenhouse emmissions. But, the USA is not permitted to take credit for the large 'sinks' it has.

2. The Kyoto Protocols allow for the buying and selling of 'Emissions Credits'. So, a small country that wants to pollute can buy 'Emmissions Credits' from a nation that has large 'sinks' and is not using these to their full extent. The USA is not permitted to trade in Emissions Credits. Also Emissions Credits are idiotic and defeat the purtpose of this so-called 21st Century Enviromental improvement.

3. Though Canada and Russia signed on, they were rebuffed by the EU because they wanted to plant more forsets to increase their 'Sink' credit allowing them to pollute more.

4. Though Japan and Australia signed on, they refuse to participate in the funding of the treaty. Interesting statement when a nation will not put its money where its mouth is.

The 1972 Chemical Weapons treaty is still in place, and the USA is still a part of that treaty. The USA representatives broke of talks about 'Enforcement' because the concerns with this make 'Enforcement' nearly impossible. Judging the way Iraq has spurned the UN Inspection efforts it is easy to see how this is a legitimate concern. The USA position is that other nations are going to build these in secret anyway, so the USA needs to be able to continue to find out what these are and develop anti-toxins to protect US troops from these agents.

Is the USA a saint on these? No. But, I find the glorius claims by nations that are speaking so highly of themselves about these wonderful treaties, while at the same time condemning the USA, to be hypocritical and lacking foresight. None of these media sources are getting into the details of these treaties and debating in public the problems with these trteaties.

The media is bashing Bush much as they do any American President. What else is new? I will make a new post on American civics so that non-Americans here can understand why the USA Presidency is designed to be a weak office, and where the real power base is. Also, the USA itself makes far too much out of the Presidential Elections.

Those who say that Americans are against George Bush forget that he did get nearly half the popular vote, and the majority of electoral vote. Most Americans are not against Bush, as the country is still split down the middle.

While George Bush is being bashed as being 'dumb', people forget that his university scores exceeded Al Gore's. And Big Al is the idiot who still thinks that human pollution is the cause of El Nino~, and he can't seem to understand that this weather phenomenon was discovered over 300 years ago before modern industrial pollution and automobiles. El Nino~ is caused by Solar cycles and have nothing to do with human activity. But, that does not stop Big Al from using this scare tactic to mess with popular opinion.

All in all, it would have mattered little whether Al or George is President, as they are about the same. Slightly different flavor, but neither are extremely inspiring. This is good. I don't like inspiring charasmatic leaders - they scare me. - Amazing

Englishman

Amazing,

"While George Bush is being bashed as being 'dumb'........"

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

dedalus

Can't you blokes across the Atlantic impeach this lunatic?

At times like this I feel compelled to point out that Americans never elected George Bush in the first place.

Dedalus

Amazing

Hi Englishman: Yes, that is agreat photo! I saw this the other night when Jay Leno used it on the Tonight Show. Funny thing is, the Pope is always that way nowadays. When he was in the Russia / Ukraine recently where several Orthodox and Catholic leader held an outdoor Mass he was in the same position. He is old and I will not be surprised is he passes away soon. He has been a good Pope all-in-all, and a refreshing change from the long tradition of Italian Popes. I think that the Catholic Church needs a bee-boppin rockin American Pope to jazz things up a bit.

Thanks again for the photo ... it is a keeper. - Amazing

Amazing

Hi Dedaldus: Yes, Americans did elect George Bush. This is why I am going to post a civis lesson for non-Americans and a few Americans who do not understand how the process works. But, I find that those who voted against him are the ones who keep saying this. These people filled with 'sour grapes' fail to understand that by using their own logic, then Bill Clinton was never elected by the American people. This will be fun. - Amazing

drahcir yarrum

Long, long ago Americans learned to ignore the political thoughts of Brits. No offense intended!

hawkaw

Englishman,

Do you even have a clue what you are talking about here? Please answer Amasing's questions. You should keep in mind that I know a lot more about the "environmental issues" of the day than I let on. So please answer Amasing's questions. Just think of the senate and how dead that treaty was in the senate. I just don't think you have a clue about politics is played out either. I would suggest you learn it.

Oh, please keep in mind too, that the guy with the pointy hat didn't get what he wanted out of Bush. That is an out right ban on federal funds on stem cell research. All Bush said was that he would listen. Even Chris Reeve (a former Superman) noted that one.

There are checks and balances in the USA. May it be the press, the democratic party, or the courts. Bush doesn't walk around waving a big stick.

dedalus - your crack about the American election isn't really that amusing too me. It was a very very close election and both sides did their thing through the courts to get their man in. The key to this is to remember that there were rules done ahead of time and the players and a majority of the American people in the "REPUBLIC" agreed to the rules. Also Remember this - there was a change of power without a single "shot" fired. Something you wouldn't understand unless you actually understood history.

hawk

Englishman

Hawkaw,

Amazing asked: Would you provide the source references and, if possible, the direct quotes where President Bush stated his reasons for rejecting these treaties was that they are 'anti-American.'

Well, the source is me!

I and millions of other Brits saw and heard a BBC news report where Bush stated into a TV camera that Kyoto was definitely against American business interests, and that he would not go along with anything that might have a negative effect upon the American economy.

So now you know why we don't rate him too highly.

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

Commie Chris

Bush is essentially irrelevant. He was bought and paid for a long time ago. He is merely a loyal servant of the multi-national corporations which own both American political parties and which dictate the U.S. agenda. The U.S. is not rejecting the Kyoto Accord because it’s bad for the U.S. economy - it isn’t. In fact, at the insistence of the U.S. negotiators who worked on Kyoto, market mechanisms are built into the Accord to ensure that the effect on the U.S. economy will be beneficial (by promoting alternative energy and conservation industries), or neutral at worst. The Kyoto Accord is not being rejected because it will result in a net loss of jobs (it won’t), it is being rejected purely at the demand of the petro-chemical industry which contributes huge amounts of money to the Republican Party and has enormous lobbying influence in Washington. It does not matter to them whether the U.S. economy as a whole would be better off with the Kyoto Accord, or whether the world would be better off with the modest reductions in greenhouse gasses that the implementation of the Accord would bring. All that matter to them is their profits. Ergo, that’s all that matters to Washington. And yes, Canada, Japan, Russia and Europe are also hypocritical in their approach to implementing Kyoto. Those governments are also major polluters which have caved in to the pressure of the multi-national petro-chemical industry lobby.

Likewise, the so-called “missile shield” now being promoted by Washington would be dangerously destabilizing if it worked, but it won’t, and it doesn’t matter to those promoting it. Like most American military projects it is designed to ensure that billions of dollars in tax-payers money are delivered to the big corporations which will have the contracts to build it. Ironically, these are the same corporations that complain about the evils of “big government” whenever governments consider modest environmental or public health legislation. They are not against big government, they are only against government when it acts in the public interest.

White House Lunatic Imperils Us All.

"While George Bush is being bashed as being 'dumb'........"

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